Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Jul 2008 22:04 UTC
Windows As someone who uses Windows Vista practically daily, I've always wondered where all the negativity in the media comes from. Sure, Vista isn't perfect (as if any operating system is), but I just don't see where all the complaints are coming from. It runs just fine on my old (6 years) machine, all my software and hardware is compatible, and it's stable as a rock. Microsoft has been wondering the same thing, and after a little test, they may have found out why people seem to dislike Vista so much.
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Indeed, a little lie
by diegocg on Thu 24th Jul 2008 22:31 UTC
diegocg
Member since:
2005-07-08

You know. You just have to encourage people to try this new version that its SO much faster....and guess what? People will try it and say that its SO faster.

Even if theres NO change in the new version.

It's called placebo effect. Make people think that they're getting something better, and they'll think it's better. Apparently Microsoft want us to think that Vista is good trying with us the placebo effect. Except that in the real world, you can't use the placebo, only vista is left.

The fact is that vista sucks. A friend of mine did buy a new notebook. 1GB of ram. Not only he can't use Aero, the less power-hungry graphic system is also slow. Opening a explorer window can take seconds (with processor set to use the maximum performance). Many times things take ages and hit the disk like mad. And there's no extra programs installed, there's not even an antivirus installed (no, it doesn't have virus). It takes ages to bootup. Programs like paint have almost not been updated since windows 3.x (seriously, who wants to pay a license to use the same program recompiled for the new system). The usability of everything related with the new "network center" is awful. There're several dialogs with 9x usability still being used (see "Carpet Options"). The browser-paradigm (back/next arrows) of the control center and other places is ugly aswell IMO. The new features, like the integrated search, are not used in programs like notepad, which keeps the old search dialog from 9x days.

In general, you could say that they have a lot of problems related with "we-want-to-use-new-UI-conventions-but-we-won't-update-most-of-the-O S-GUI-because-people-only-knows-the-conventions-of-w9x"

Seriously, I don't see how people can like vista. I imagine that people that can handle big amounts of shit could get used to it, but I don't think many of us are like that. Vista makes me want to use Ubuntu, and dude, that's a huge problem considering how much the linux desktop still sucks.

Edited 2008-07-24 22:34 UTC

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RE: Indeed, a little lie
by Stephen! on Thu 24th Jul 2008 23:22 in reply to "Indeed, a little lie"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

the linux desktop still sucks.


Which one? There are dozens of them.

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RE: Indeed, a little lie
by melkor on Fri 25th Jul 2008 03:54 in reply to "Indeed, a little lie"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Your friend got a new laptop, with only 1gb and that's Microsoft's fault how? Several things here - most onboard laptop video cards are weaker than wet cardboard. 1gb of RAM? XP struggled with that in all honesty, and you expect Vista to happily crawl along with that?

Let me spell-it-out-for-you - how about friggen blaming the damn well laptop manufacturer for being a tightass and ONLY giving 1gb of RAM?

Gees guys...are you that blindly idiotic that you blame the worlds woes for Microsoft, even when it clearly isn't Microsoft's fault?

If you love Linux or BSD great. That doesn't give you a free licence to bash Windows just cos you can. Grow a damn well brain and use it ffs.

I'm really sick and tired of this Vista bashing, it's a fine o/s that works great.

Dave

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v RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by hollovoid on Fri 25th Jul 2008 04:22 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by kaiwai on Fri 25th Jul 2008 07:35 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

[q]Your friend got a new laptop, with only 1gb and that's Microsoft's fault how? Several things here - most onboard laptop video cards are weaker than wet cardboard. 1gb of RAM? XP struggled with that in all honesty, and you expect Vista to happily crawl along with that?

Let me spell-it-out-for-you - how about friggen blaming the damn well laptop manufacturer for being a tightass and ONLY giving 1gb of RAM? [/quote]

Microsoft gives out the 'compatible with Windows Vista' logo - it is based on what Microsoft demands the system to have before it can get the logo. There is nothing stopping Microsoft from upping the specifications and thus force the companies to increase the default amount of memory installed.

Microsoft could tomorrow, if they wanted, up the minimum specifications for Windows Vista compatible to 2GB if they wanted. The problem is that they're sucking on the OEM tit rather than being honest with their customer base and saying, "Windows Vista has higher system requirements, and in fairness, anything less than 2GB, the system will run like crap". The only people who would piss and moan would be the OEM's.

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RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by hollovoid on Fri 25th Jul 2008 13:11 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

Eh no use man, they will bash windows because they can. Most of em piping in even admitting to never "upgrading" to Vista, and relying on heresay. I think it bothers them so deeply that some people do like it so badly that they have to bury and hide comments to the contrary of they're opinion.

I use linux, and vista, and love them both. They both do what I want them to do. I researched and purchased my hardware to coincide with my software use. Most people dont, and want to be angry when it blows up on them. Then others think your being unrealistic when you say that requirements are they way they are.

The world exists outside your computer people, there are many factors that add to memory usage.

Your base install may use 100MB of ram less than another users based on drivers alone. Just because you say "meh my computer has less than 1gb of ram and its fine" equals nothing in the Real world. Most general computer users will find a much higher usage than you and me just because they do not trim things down, and install dozens of programs they don't use but wanted to "try" out.

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RE: Indeed, a little lie
by ecruz on Fri 25th Jul 2008 14:59 in reply to "Indeed, a little lie"
ecruz Member since:
2007-06-16

I just love reading you guys rants. It gets me going in the morning!
Regarding your friend and the laptop, I bought my son a 1GB laptop, with an underpowered processor, inbedded graphic card, (I only paid $380), and it runs Vista and Aero just fine. I have used Vista since Beta 2 and it has worked very well since then on old machines, old video cards and 1GB of memory.
So, you see, you are a liar or don't really know what you are doing.

By the way, yesterday, I booted my version of Suse 11, and it had dozens of needed updates but guess what, the wireless would not work. There is always something wrong with whatever Linux version I use that keeps it on the toy section of my house.

If you want to learn a few things, read Ed Botts article about updates in Windows and Linux. You might be surprise, but maybe you won't.


In the end, all OS's have their own problems

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RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by lemur2 on Fri 25th Jul 2008 15:16 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I just love reading you guys rants. It gets me going in the morning!
Regarding your friend and the laptop, I bought my son a 1GB laptop, with an underpowered processor, inbedded graphic card, (I only paid $380), and it runs Vista and Aero just fine. I have used Vista since Beta 2 and it has worked very well since then on old machines, old video cards and 1GB of memory.
So, you see, you are a liar or don't really know what you are doing.

By the way, yesterday, I booted my version of Suse 11, and it had dozens of needed updates but guess what, the wireless would not work. There is always something wrong with whatever Linux version I use that keeps it on the toy section of my house.

If you want to learn a few things, read Ed Botts article about updates in Windows and Linux. You might be surprise, but maybe you won't.

In the end, all OS's have their own problems


If you buy hardware designed to have Linux pre-installed on it, you won't have these problems. Everything will work. Manufacturers shouldn't be selling you pre-installed Linux on machines with Broadcom wireless chips, for example, when an Intel wireless chip works perfectly.

Most people would only buy a machine with Vista pre-installed, they wouldn't expect to be able to roll-their-own Vista machine. Do the same courtesy for Linux and you will get similar or better results than for Vista ... every time. Guaranteed.

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RE: Indeed, a little lie (and a solution)
by dsuse on Tue 29th Jul 2008 20:53 in reply to "Indeed, a little lie"
dsuse Member since:
2007-09-04

I found the same thing with a Vista laptop I bought (dual-core, 1 GB RAM). Ran like a turd, an all the other Vista frustrations and crashes made me phone up the mfr. (HP). They eventually told me (if you can believe this) to try installing Ubuntu (as they refused to give me XP). Installed (K)ubuntu, and no more problems.

I am sure that if Microsoft had instead told users to try the NEW IMPROVED WINDOWS MOJAVE (Ubuntu in disguise, running Compiz) they would have gotten much better testimonies from their participants.

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