Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Jan 2009 20:57 UTC
Opera Software Last week, news got out that Microsoft had been charged with breaking competition laws by the European Commission. The EU stated that Microsoft has broken competition laws because it bundles its Internet Explorer browser with Windows, which gives the browser an unfair advantage over competing browsers such as Firefox and Opera. OSNews readers debated this topic lively, and it seems we can use this story to continue the discussion: Opera Software's CEO Jon von Tetzchner joined in on the fun.
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RE[2]: move on...
by rajan r on Tue 20th Jan 2009 11:06 UTC in reply to "RE: move on..."
rajan r
Member since:
2005-07-27

Though it is rather rich that a "monopoly" who saw its market share shrink to 70% (or even less) be subjected to "fair competition law".

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RE[3]: move on...
by ichi on Tue 20th Jan 2009 11:59 in reply to "RE[2]: move on..."
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Considering how it climbed there to begin with, it's quite adequate.

If I committed say tax fraud, losing everything I earned wouldn't make me any less liable.

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RE[4]: move on...
by rajan r on Tue 20th Jan 2009 14:36 in reply to "RE[3]: move on..."
rajan r Member since:
2005-07-27

1. Violation of competition law is very different from violation of tax laws. Tax laws are prescriptive - you can follow it to the letter. Competition laws are subjective to the case - without any precedent case, it is hard to ascertain for sure if you're a monopoly (especially when courts no longer define it as near or complete control of a market) and if you're acting illegally.

2. The rise of Firefox shows very clearly that Microsoft's monopoly is neither strong or sustainable or obtainable just by bundling with Windows. IE ascended simply because their competition wasn't capable enough - can anyone honestly say that Netscape 4.x was superior to IE 4.x? Microsoft's main competitor then went into a long-drawn rewrite process that produces Netscape 6 years after losing the market.

It shows the original reasoning in the antitrust case was flawed. If IE's rise can be solely explained by its bundling with Windows, it follows that Microsoft has a monopolistic power in that market. It also follows that though matter how good a competing product is, IE's position in Windows would ensure its monopolistic position. All turning out to be false.

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RE[3]: move on...
by nutshell42 on Tue 20th Jan 2009 13:47 in reply to "RE[2]: move on..."
nutshell42 Member since:
2006-01-12

The fact that after half a decade of being a crappy security risk that wasn't even half as good as the competition IE still holds 70% of the market, clearly shows how much the Windows monopoly helped IE.

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RE[4]: move on...
by PlatformAgnostic on Tue 20th Jan 2009 16:36 in reply to "RE[3]: move on..."
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

What makes you think the competition had any better security? Netscape would have gone down in flames to many of the same attacks which plagued IE in the 5.0-6.5 timeframe.

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