Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Feb 2009 20:55 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Legal The legal case between Apple and Psystar has just taken another, very small turn. Psystar gained a small victory over Apple today, because U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup allowed Psystar to modify its counter-suit against Apple, after he had dismissed the original counter-suit. However, something more interesting came out of this ruling: the judge hinted at what would happen if Psystar were to win.
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welcome the clones!
by kristoph on Mon 9th Feb 2009 21:14 UTC
kristoph
Member since:
2006-01-01

My family and I are big fan's of Apple products. I have 4 Apple machines in my home office alone, and we have 7 in the house, excluding assorted iPods, iPhones, Keyboards and whatnot.

I frankly welcome the news that there may be Apple clone's on the market.

I'd love to be able to run Mac OS X on a variety of devices, especially netbooks and the cheaper small footprint devices I can use as single purpose equipment.

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RE: welcome the clones!
by fmaxwell on Mon 9th Feb 2009 21:43 in reply to "welcome the clones!"
fmaxwell Member since:
2005-11-13

The concern that Apple fans have is that companies like Psystar will produce marginally compatible systems or produce systems which are less well-engineered and tested than Apple's products.

Apple has managed to maintain a much higher reliability than Microsoft by being able to fully test all shipped hardware configurations with each major software release. They don't have to worry about whether it will work on some random Gigabyte motherboard. They don't have to be concerned that some user will change some BIOS setting (they can't on an Apple) rendering the system non-bootable.

I like being able to buy OS X for $120. I don't want to have to pay $200 because Apple has been fielding calls from Psystar owners with semi-compatible, or unreliable, hardware.

Nor do I believe that the average consumer is intelligent enough to recognize or buy quality. As we have seen in the Windows market, what sells is price, not quality, reliability, compatibility, etc. When that happens, reliability and longevity suffer.

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by segedunum on Mon 9th Feb 2009 23:13 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The concern that Apple fans have is that companies like Psystar will produce marginally compatible systems or produce systems which are less well-engineered and tested than Apple's products.

I have news for you. Apple's computers are cheap, standard Intel machines with bog standard PC parts of questionable quality (you always get the lowest spec Western Digital hard drive Apple can provide) in order for Apple to sell the machines at a premium and make a nice profit - for nothing very much.

Those margins on the hardware can only be kept in place if gullible people like you keep thinking that Apple machines are of a higher quality than a standard PC, so shhhhhhhhhhh.

Nor do I believe that the average consumer is intelligent enough to recognize or buy quality.

You're right. They're not. ;-)

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by Lu-Tze on Tue 10th Feb 2009 01:39 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
Lu-Tze Member since:
2006-01-10

If Apple were to support calls from Psystar customers, I am guessing Apple will charge for them for the service. Why would it increase your price for OS X? Wouldn't that be an even better way for Apple to show that buying hardware from them is better - even economical - because you won't need to pay for the support since everything will just work...

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by google_ninja on Tue 10th Feb 2009 02:08 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Noone is saying they have to support them.

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by rockwell on Thu 12th Feb 2009 17:08 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

//Apple has managed to maintain a much higher reliability than Microsoft by being able to fully test all shipped hardware configurations with each major software release//

Microsoft is in the hardware business? Since when?

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RE: welcome the clones!
by jefro on Mon 9th Feb 2009 22:04 in reply to "welcome the clones!"
jefro Member since:
2007-04-13

There have been a few Apple clones on the market already. I don't think that is the issue.

My issue is whether the software is tied to the purchase of the machine. In any other product you wouldn't have any legal grounds. If Firestone said you can only use our tires on a Ford product any normal person would think that is unfair trade practices. The other reason is if the software is being sold below cost in order to force you into a hardware purchase.

I also don't agree with the claim that you are not buying software. You only get an agreement. If they give me media then I have software.

I think Apple is a trying a legal battle that they feel would scare anyone away, even they know they are nuts.

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