Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Feb 2009 20:25 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Apple The iPhone, Apple's current cash cow and best selling cellular phone in the United States, is a completely closed phone in that only applications from the App Store can be installed on the phone. However, by jailbreaking the iPhone you can install applications from whatever source you want, which might be desirable if an application you want isn't allowed into the App Store by Apple. The Cupertino company has never had an official stance on jailbeaking, but this has now changed: according to them, it's a breach of copyright.
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RE: Comment by cmost
by darknexus on Sat 14th Feb 2009 16:36 UTC in reply to "Comment by cmost"
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2008-07-15

Not that I'm defending Apple, or the quality of their iPods, but can you name me another media player that has all of the following features:
* Plays both MP3 and AAC (should be an easy one, and would prefer it to have ogg as well)
* Plays both MPEG4 and h.264 video, and can do so in such a way that if the correct encoding options are supplied, the video is of good quality all the way from an iPod Nano to a large SD TV set
* takes advantage of the MP4 container's chapter marks hack
* has the ability to speak its menus aloud
While Rockbox can solve both 1 and 4, there are no currently manufactured players with the ability to run rockbox, which means finding a used or referbished player. I haven't yet found another media player that can handle number 2, as all the rest seem to need the videos to be converted before you can load them up, whereas the iPod can take up to 1.5mbps mpeg4 and baseline h.264 encoded at standard loose anamorphic, and will adjust the resolution accordingly using the pixel aspect ratio atom. This means you only need make one rip of your DVDs if you do it properly, and you can transfer them without a lengthy conversion process. I realize the MP4 chapter mark feature is a hack, and as far as I know Apple are the big supporters of that though VLC can now use them too.
Are there other media players that meet all of the above? The iPod may not have the best sound quality, it doesn't, but where it wins is being most things to most people. It's not perfect and isn't designed to be, it's designed to be minimum fuss to the majority of users. This is why, in my opinion, it's so popular. The majority of users won't ever run up against its restrictions. I am actually asking, if there are players that can do all of this or even come close I'd like to know about them. Even better if they're USB MSC compliant.

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RE[2]: Comment by cmost
by smashIt on Sat 14th Feb 2009 23:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by cmost"
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2005-07-06

Not that I'm defending Apple, or the quality of their iPods, but can you name me another media player that has all of the following features:
* Plays both MP3 and AAC (should be an easy one, and would prefer it to have ogg as well)
* Plays both MPEG4 and h.264 video, and can do so in such a way that if the correct encoding options are supplied, the video is of good quality all the way from an iPod Nano to a large SD TV set
* takes advantage of the MP4 container's chapter marks hack
* has the ability to speak its menus aloud


ever heared of cowon?
for example the movieplayer of the A3 supports:

Fileformate: AVI, WMV, ASF, MP4, MATROSKA (MKV), MPG/MPEG, DAT, MTV, OGM
Video Codec: DivX 3.11/4/5/6, XviD, MPEG-4 SP/ASP, WMV 9/8/7, H.264 MP, M-JPEG, MPEG 1/2
Video-Resolution Max 1280x720, 30 fps
Audio Codec: MPEG1 Layer 1/2/3, WMA, FLAC, OGG Vorbis, AAC/AAC+, AC3, BSAC, True Audio, WavPack, G.726, PCM
Samplerate: Max 96kHz, 1,4Mbps

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RE[3]: Comment by cmost
by darknexus on Sun 15th Feb 2009 00:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cmost"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Looks like that certainly has most of what I want in it. No speaking menus though, but as it seems to use a folder/files navigation structure that's not as much of an issue as it would be with an iPod-like player. It'd support hardware Matroska playback too, something I've been wanting for a while--I've wanted to move to mkv, but haven't done so due to a lack of a hardware player that I'd like. This one, the Cowon A3, might just do it, thanks.

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