Linked by David Adams on Mon 25th May 2009 21:22 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes Over the years, we've occasionally run an "Ask OSNews" feature, wherein a reader asks us a question and we answer it publicly. Lately I've really been enjoying Slate's Dear Prudence advice column and the ever-interesting Straight Dope, and I thought we should see if we can get more OSNews readers to submit questions, and turn Ask OSNews into a more-regular thing. If your question falls outside of our domain expertise, we'll try to track down an expert to help out. And of course, our responses will always be supplemented by further advice from OSNews readers in the comments. Questions are welcome on any topic ranging from OSes and computing to science and geek culture. Contact us with your questions. (Please include "Ask OSNews" in the subject). Today's question is from a young student in Hungary who's seduced by the faraway siren song of Apple's marketing and wonders, "should I switch?"
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Depends on the price
by Tom K on Mon 25th May 2009 21:40 UTC
Tom K
Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't mind paying the slight premium for Apple stuff because in the long run I waste less time making stuff work, and that pays off in the end. I'm probably also prolonging my life a bit by not getting pissed off at Windows all the time. :-)

However, with an entry-level unibody MB costing over $1800 US in Hungary, I'd really have to think long and hard about that. Then again, what does a PC laptop with equivalent specs and nice build quality cost? If it's still over a thousand, I'd just suck up the difference and get the MacBook.

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RE: Depends on the price
by moondevil on Mon 25th May 2009 21:52 in reply to "Depends on the price"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

David has given a pretty good advice.

Unfortunately Apple products tend to cost a lot of money in Europe. In some European countries you will be very happy person, if you manage to earn more than 1000 euros per month.

So it not that easy to say that paying the difference is worth the effort.

Myself I already been two times about to buy Apple products and ended up buying PC instead, because of the ration cost/hardware that I would get.

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RE[2]: Depends on the price
by godawful on Tue 26th May 2009 17:07 in reply to "RE: Depends on the price"
godawful Member since:
2005-06-29

Isn't much of this due to VAT? a quick google search reveals Hungary's VAT at 20%, and it's my understanding (I could be wrong) that in Europe, the price shown includes VAT.

Whereas in the US, no taxes are shown in the price though just about every state has sales tax, in California thats 7.25% which doesn't include the local municipalities tax which I _think_ raise it to a total of 9.25%.

If this is all correct, they prices aren't really that much different. That being said, Apples are generally more expensive than the equivalent pc, but to me that doesn't matter, it's worth it.

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RE: Depends on the price
by computrius on Tue 26th May 2009 02:43 in reply to "Depends on the price"
computrius Member since:
2006-03-26

Slight price premium is a bit of an understatement. I recently compared the cost of me building the equivilent of the highest end imac. With a 24" monitor it still costed $1000 less. $1000. Thats a bit more than a slight price premium.

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RE: Depends on the price
by kaiwai on Tue 26th May 2009 03:42 in reply to "Depends on the price"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't mind paying the slight premium for Apple stuff because in the long run I waste less time making stuff work, and that pays off in the end. I'm probably also prolonging my life a bit by not getting pissed off at Windows all the time. :-)

However, with an entry-level unibody MB costing over $1800 US in Hungary, I'd really have to think long and hard about that. Then again, what does a PC laptop with equivalent specs and nice build quality cost? If it's still over a thousand, I'd just suck up the difference and get the MacBook.


That is the entry price for a unibody model; the question he should first ask himself is whether he needs a unibody model or whether he is happy with the classic white model which is US$999.

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RE: Depends on the price
by Liquidator on Tue 26th May 2009 07:22 in reply to "Depends on the price"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

In Europe, a low-end desktop computer bought on a comparison web site is €200. An iMac is €2000. That's a huge difference, and most of the time, a low-end computer will do the job (using a web browser, running MS Office). I don't know what the user is talking about when he says struggling with Windows. Since the XP series, Windows has proven to be stable.

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RE[2]: Depends on the price
by puenktchen on Tue 26th May 2009 09:25 in reply to "RE: Depends on the price"
puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

In Europe, a low-end desktop computer bought on a comparison web site is €200. An iMac is €2000.


wtf? an imac sells for 1000 € and your low-end desktop simply doesn't compares to it.

That's a huge difference, and most of the time, a low-end computer will do the job (using a web browser, running MS Office).


if that are your only needs, get an old imac g3 for maybe 50€. or an imac g4 for maybe 100 € if you want some luxury and the ability to run leopard.

Edited 2009-05-26 09:26 UTC

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RE: Depends on the price - ah, Windows
by jabbotts on Tue 26th May 2009 12:02 in reply to "Depends on the price"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I asked my machine to reboot out of Windows last night about nine; the boot menu's default should get me out of the gaming system and leave my lovely productivity OS waiting. Instead, I wake this morning and check the machine on the pay past too the door only to find Windows sitting there with an error.

I hit the [OK] button and it powers off. Odd, I selected "restart".

I press the power button and it spins up dropping me back on a Windows desktop. WTF!

I ask it to restart again and click through two more errors before it finally rolls over to an OS produced by people who give a shit about quality.

This wouldn't be a problem if it was an anomoly but last time I had it booted over to Windows I had the same dance party shutting it down.

Seems it's time to take a few hours to check all installed software for updates. If I didn't need Windows for gaming; I'd have called in a sick day just to stay home and format the f--king code off my hardware.

(I'm still open to win7 being better still be we'll have to see how it goes.)

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solarcontrol Member since:
2008-11-17

LOL - you snatched the words from my lips.
I was about to edit my previous post (again) and add that he should try a dual-boot setup.

I'm on Linux Mint or ArtistX unless I'm playing the ONE STINKIN' GAME that I play..
For that I must boot to XP.

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