Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Jun 2009 09:34 UTC
Fedora Core Today, Fedora 11 will be unleashed upon the web. The release has been postponed for a few days, but this time it's for real. It comes packed with lots of changes, such as improved boot time, Nouveau as the default NVIDIA driver, and of course the latest and greatest version of various open source packages.
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1. Firefox 3.5 beta 4 is the version in F11.

Precisely. The "Read more" text on OSNews for this article originally claimed Firefox 3.1, not Fedora.

2. Fedora has not dropped mono at this time. We are substituting Gnote for Tomboy in F12 for several reasons including concerns about the size a native C++ app could save us on an already very cramped Live image.

One would only get any savings by substituting Gnote for Tomboy if one also dropped Mono libraries that Tomboy depends upon.

Since Gnote is the functional equivalent of Tomboy, the only benefits of doing this at all is the removal of the waste of space and potential liability that is Mono.

Surely Fedora realises that some of the features that the Mono project advertises itself as including, to whit:
Microsoft Compatible API
Run ASP.NET, ADO.NET, and Windows.Forms 2.0 applications without recompilation

are patented, proprietary technologies (that are not standards, and are not covered by any Open Specification Promise) which require a license to run and to redistribute?

Edited 2009-06-09 15:31 UTC

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zlynx Member since:

If you begin to worry about Microsoft and patents, then worry about more than Mono.

MS has patents that can be stretched to cover many Web technologies, compiler techniques and others. I believe they even have some good ones on OS technologies like virtual memory management and scheduling.

And anyone worrying about patents should certainly push to remove VFAT support.

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jackson Member since:

Yes and no. There are many areas that may be subject to submarine patents. However, Mono is far more dangerous than those examples because you *can* directly trace Mono's heritage. It a free implementation of a proprietary technology, but just because Mono is free software does not mean it's not patent encumbered.

I am much more concerned about the close, direct lineage of Mono to Microsoft than other technologies with less-known heritages that may or may not have Microsoft encumbrances. There's no disputing where Mono comes from while other technologies may be defensible in a variety of ways, such as prior art, superceding patents and the like.

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niemau Member since:

If you begin to worry about Microsoft and patents, then worry about more than Mono.

i am not going to make a guess on where you stand on the issue... but, who says people *aren't* worried about more than just mono? mono is just the topic at hand.

that being said, there are a couple of points that set this apart from other 'issues'.

* mono is rapidly becoming a default install on many of the big distros, to the chagrin of a growing number of users and developers

* for those who would like to avoid mono, it's good to make opinions heard before too much of the FOSS ecosystem becomes entrenched in something that a lot of people have a problem with. mono is still 'new' enough that it's easy to avoid. a lot of people would like to keep it that way. they should have that option.

people bring up the 'but xxx software package is also controversial' argument all the time. nobody is ignoring the other 'controversies'.

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