Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 12th Jul 2009 14:03 UTC
Google Even though everyone's talking about it, fact of the matter is that Google's Chrome OS is currently nothing more than an internet announcement, with a supposed release date of somewhere in 2010. Google chief executive Eric Schmidt has now stated that netbooks running Chrome OS could appear as early as this year. In addition, Schmidt also talked about his position at Apple's board of directors.
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can't wait
by lqsh on Sun 12th Jul 2009 15:04 UTC
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2007-01-01

Unlike Microsoft, Google actually innovates and moves technology forward.

It will be interesting to see what Google has come up with and how this affects future OSes.

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RE: can't wait
by Adurbe on Sun 12th Jul 2009 19:38 in reply to "can't wait"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

now, I am a fan of Google BUT Microsoft have done some groundbreaking work in a number of fields.

I appreciate they are unpopular because of their market share and some 'shady' practices but credit where credit is due please

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RE[2]: can't wait
by kaiwai on Sun 12th Jul 2009 21:15 in reply to "RE: can't wait"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

now, I am a fan of Google BUT Microsoft have done some groundbreaking work in a number of fields.

I appreciate they are unpopular because of their market share and some 'shady' practices but credit where credit is due please


Innovations such as.....?

I'm not being a smart ass but realistically, what have they contributed that would be of an innovative nature (assuming one defines innovative as 'the best implementation of an idea')?

I look at Windows 7 for example, their flag ship product, the anchor on which everything spins around - and it reminds me of the mish-mash, ad-hoc approach to desktop design of Linux 10 years ago. Mountains of different widget kits used, ranging from Windows 3.11 all the way up to Windows 7; then there are the technologies merged but never taken advantage of - why haven't they killed off GDI+/GDI and replaced it with a shim sitting ontop of Direct2D/DirectWrite?

One can dance around naked all day as to the supposed 'innovation' by Microsoft but when one seeks evidence for such a claim - its very few and far between.

Edited 2009-07-12 21:16 UTC

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RE[2]: can't wait
by sbergman27 on Sun 12th Jul 2009 21:31 in reply to "RE: can't wait"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

now, I am a fan of Google BUT Microsoft have done some groundbreaking work in a number of fields.

Hmmm. I think it would be safe to say that the the ratio of *actual innovation* to *talking about innovation* would be distinctly higher for Google.

Truth be known... innovation is best enjoyed in moderation. 99% of what makes a good OS is skillful selection, implementation and integration of extant features, regardless of origin, along with good taste, and good judgement. Constant innovation is also known as "churn". Few users... and even fewer admins... like it.

Edited 2009-07-12 21:41 UTC

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RE: can't wait
by Laurence on Sun 12th Jul 2009 20:46 in reply to "can't wait"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Unlike Microsoft, Google actually innovates and moves technology forward.

It will be interesting to see what Google has come up with and how this affects future OSes.


Got any evidence to back up that bold claim?

I like Google, but I think it's a leap to say that they've pioneered more than MS.
Most of the technologies they've released has been to an excellent standard, but they've hardly been ahead of the game.

If anything, they're just one of many companies looking at consumer technology and realising that most consumers aren't geeks and are unhappy with the needlessly complex / crash prone systems they're forced into.

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RE[2]: can't wait
by ephracis on Sun 12th Jul 2009 21:17 in reply to "RE: can't wait"
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2007-09-23

If anything, they're just one of many companies looking at consumer technology and realising that most consumers aren't geeks and are unhappy with the needlessly complex / crash prone systems they're forced into.

+1
Best description of this move ever.

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RE[2]: can't wait
by kaiwai on Sun 12th Jul 2009 21:18 in reply to "RE: can't wait"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Got any evidence to back up that bold claim?

I like Google, but I think it's a leap to say that they've pioneered more than MS.
Most of the technologies they've released has been to an excellent standard, but they've hardly been ahead of the game.

If anything, they're just one of many companies looking at consumer technology and realising that most consumers aren't geeks and are unhappy with the needlessly complex / crash prone systems they're forced into.


In over a decade they (Microsoft) have yet to pioneer a web browser to conform to some standards that have been established for many years. If innovation is done on the basis of implementing ideas and standards - then Google, Apple and the Open Source community steam roll over Microsoft.

Regarding end users wanting things to 'just work'(tm) you are right - but just work means providing developers with technologies that allow them to create products that are easily accessible and aren't reliant on buggy plugins (Flash) or bloated and buggy API's (Win32).

So it is very much in the end users interest to ensuring that the web browser conforms to the latest standards so that developers can deliver products using those open standards without resorting to using Flash or Silverlight which adds a new layer of bloat and complexity (which raises a whole new level of problems). This issue applies to all situations relating to computers - give the developers the tools to make good applications and they will.

Edited 2009-07-12 21:24 UTC

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RE: can't wait
by makc on Mon 13th Jul 2009 02:16 in reply to "can't wait"
makc Member since:
2006-01-11

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/

Just take a moment to check what they do before being so bold in your judgement ;)

Wether you like or dislike the company and their products, please judge research by it's own; and you'll find out researchers of those centres are contributing to advances in many fields.

edit: mistype

Edited 2009-07-13 02:17 UTC

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RE[2]: can't wait
by Johann Chua on Mon 13th Jul 2009 05:07 in reply to "RE: can't wait"
Johann Chua Member since:
2005-07-22

Xerox PARC did a lot of innovative stuff, but never marketed them properly. MS's bread and butter is Windows and Office.

Call me when there's actual shipping products based on Gazelle or Singularity.

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RE[2]: can't wait
by shotsman on Mon 13th Jul 2009 06:39 in reply to "RE: can't wait"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

There is a world of difference (And a long way in time) from a research project to something they can sell.

It is all very well doing this sort of research but IMHO, very little really finds its way into sellable products. That is the very nature of ALL research project. Some work but probably the majority don't.

The posters who brought this up are looking at products that they can buy and use. Comparisons here don't really look good for Microsoft.

Personally, I feel if this Google project takes off then Microsoft are in deep trouble in this market area. If it can do what more than 50% of PC users want to do and all nicely integrated then they have a very nice USP.
IMHO, the Microsoft restrictions on Netbook configuration is very anti-competitive and actually shoots themselves in the foot.
As soon as I got my MSI-Wind, I added 1GB of RAM and changed the HDD to 320Gb. Now I have a really lightweight and portable dev platform running CentOS+Oracle+DB2 very nicely thank you. It also dual boots into XP-PRO for the times I need it. Not exactly how MS wants to see Netbooks being used.

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