Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Sep 2009 13:35 UTC, submitted by Hiev
Mono Project If you don't like personal, blog-style reporting, you might want to skip this item. A few days ago, during a speech at Software Freedom Day in Boston, Richard Stallman has, at least in my book, crossed a line that I thought he would never cross.
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Stick to just providing news, Thom.
by Aussie_Bear on Sat 26th Sep 2009 07:19 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-12

...Because your blog-style reporting have always been a poor attempt to promote your opinion into a section that doesn't belong. Its ineffective. It should be separated from actual news, and categorised as your opinion.

I think we officially hit a new low here. I have no opinion on the whole Mono thing, and I don't really care much about it either, but calling De Icaza a traitor to the Free software community actually got me a little riled up.

Then you've completely failed to understand De Icaza's intentions through his recent actions.

I've always noticed you tend to deliberately set aside things that contradict your opinion.

Mono isn't trivial. It says something. And deep down, EVERYONE knows what it really means in context of Free and Open Source Software. Even you.

Are we really talking about the same De Icaza? The man who co-founded one of the most popular Free software projects, GNOME? Who created Gnumeric? Who set up a company which employed several GNOME developers, advancing the Free software desktop?

If you're gonna bring back someone's history, you might as well include De Icaza's interview with Microsoft for their Unix team. This happened in the summer of 1997. He wasn't accepted because didn't qualify for the necessary work visa to come to the USA. (He didn't have a university degree).

Secondly, he is a vocal supporter of Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML). EVERYONE knows what OOXML's intention is: To maintain document standards control (in MS's favour), in order to protect one of their cash cows...MS's own Office suite.

Thirdly, he deliberately sort out to re-implement .Net technology (at least a form of it), outside of Windows. It wasn't a "need" to begin with. No one specifically asked for it.

Forthly, he works for Novell. Novell is the Lando Calrissian of the FOSS world. Willing to do what is necessary in order to compete with Red Hat...Even to jump in bed with Microsoft on that Patent Agreement.

5thly, De Icaza now chairs on the CodePlex foundation. CodePlex is MS's poor attempt to emulate and encourage developers into THEIR version of open source.

Isn't more blindingly obvious?

De Icaza has done a lot of hard work to advance and promote the Free software community, and whether you like Mono or not, it is still a completely open source project, and enables cross-platform development for those who wish to code in C#. Why doesn't RMS deride the SAMBA guys in the same manner?

Because you're deliberately setting aside a person's intention.

The SAMBA guys have created something from scratch; so they can interoperate with MS networks. The intention here is to allow a non-Windows system to operate in a Windows networking environment. There is a need for it, as this is a Windows-oriented world.

Even when they paid MS to open up their protocol specs (which we'll see in SAMBA v4), they did it by creating a third-party proxy. They've remained arms length from MS as much as possible.

SAMBA folks have made things clear about their intentions. Even when questioned, they have nothing to hide. This builds trust.

Mono is a different story in the sense that when someone questions or challenges the potential patent problems one might encounter, its brushed off as inconsequential. Would you trust someone or something that wasn't clear and honest about itself?

Even when MS made that "Community Promise", people are skeptical. Microsoft isn't trusted. Without trust, their is no relationship. This is why MS's olive branching (a facade at best), with the open community is a futile attempt...Their actions against TomTom earlier this year have made their motivations pretty clear. They're in it for themselves, and not the community.

To openly support and associate yourself with an untrustworthy entity as Microsoft is saying a lot in the FOSS world: We're merely tolerating you. You aren't to be trusted. We're keeping our distance where possible...If I don't really need to talk to you, I won't.

Kudos to De Icaza for remaining civil and polite despite such a low blow from RMS. While I respect RMS for his contributions to the Free software community, I think it's pretty clear by now that he has completely lost touch with reality. The FSF would do good to silently but resolutely move him off stage, and install a new figurehead who comes across a little more... Constructive and civil. At this rate, RMS is doing more harm than good to the Free software world.

"Civil and polite" only demonstrates restraint. Its no different to animals who lure their prey via their body part, while waiting to strike at an appropriate moment.

RMS is saying what most of us in FOSS are thinking in this politically correct world. Nowadays, people are afraid of voicing their own opinion in fear of the repurcussions. He isn't, and I respect him for it.

Frankly, I rather trust a rude person who has clear intentions with his values, than one who is a bit wishy-washy on what they intend to achieve in the long term.

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aitvo Member since:
2006-09-03

Except that a community promise published by the company would hold up in court should they decide to use their patents after saying they wouldn't. It's called oh I don't know maybe bait and switch. Last I checked that wasn't a legal tactic.

I guess we won't acknowledge that though so you can keep ranting about things that don't matter.

Go on now.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Nowadays, people are afraid of voicing their own opinion in fear of the repurcussions. He isn't, and I respect him for it.


Good thing Icaza is not afraid to voice his unpopular opinions and follow through on his unpopular ideas, eh?

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