Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Nov 2009 20:40 UTC
Windows Okay, so this is new. When it comes to graphical user interfaces, everyone is copying everyone, but you'll always find supporters of platform Abc claiming platform Xyz is stealing from them - and vice versa. Mac supporters have often stated that Vista and Windows 7 were copying from Apple, and according to Microsoft's partner group manager, Simon Aldous, this is true. Wait, what?
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Member since:
2009-08-18

"ah, so we're back in the '80s."

The point was whether Microsoft had a history of copying interfaces. You had implied they didn't.


"I can name a few things Apple copied from Microsoft, then: protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, SMP support."

First of all, these aren't interfaces, second, Microsoft simply released these technologies before Apple. They didn't create them. Apple didn't copy them. Apple was held back by an outdated OS. With that said, NeXT was first to incorporate those technologies anyways. Considering that OS X *IS* NeXT, your watered down attempt to illustrate copying on Apple's part is even more mitigated.



"Uhm, the article even clearly mentions that: in the grand scheme of things, Windows, Mac OS X, and GNOME are pretty much the exact same thing. If you can use Windows, you can use the others too without any problems, and vice versa."

So, you're saying that because everyone has held Mac OS as the standard to attain that somehow that makes subsequent efforts to copy Apple's work a non issue?



"However, within the boundaries set by these UIs themselves, the differences between Windows and Mac OS X are quite blatant in almost every way"

I never said that there aren't differences.



"I'll rehash the list again: Aero doesn't look anything like Aqua, application management on Windows is different, file management is different, and most importantly, the approach to document vs. application is decidedly different."

Yet they did aspire to be Mac-like as was the whole point of the story to which my point was that this is simply something they have always done yet Microsoft apologists always denied.

Edited 2009-11-11 22:25 UTC

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

And Apple "stole" most of it from Xerox and Apple stole elsewhere too like (Work)Spaces from X11 etc.

But this whole "who stole from whom" debate is utterly pointless, like software patents. There shouldn't be monopolies on math or ideas.

Over and out.

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Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

And Apple "stole" most of it from Xerox


This myth is too often repeated over-and-over. It has already been stated in this thread that Apple reimbursed Xerox for their GUI desktop metaphor ideas. Furthermore there is a large difference between the concepts they observed at Xerox and those that finally shipped on the Lisa.

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helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Don't bring NeXT into this ;)

And, no, they didn't invent that stuff. And neither did Intel that someone mentioned below.

SMP - Burroughs B5500 first implemented it in 1961.

Preemptive Multitasking - Can't pin it down, but it was around in the 60s at least. Unix had it from the get-go.

Protected Memory - Again, this was around by at least the 60s if not slightly earlier. I can't find a source at the moment, I'd have to dig out my history books later.

Do you people bother to look up ANYTHING, or do you just spout off shit you have heard or thought you have heard? Entities besides Intel, IBM, Apple, Microsoft, 'Linux', and Google have existed - and still do - for a LONG time that invent and create a LOT of things.

The entire world is built upon people improving on the work of others or out right copying it and possibly just doing it better.

Get. Over. It.

It is amazing the amount of energy wasted by people arguing over who did something first.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

So Enlightnment and KDE where aspiring to be osX like when they made use of full and semi transparencies in the window boarder years before it shipped on Apple's platform? Because apple did it eventually, everything else that has is inspired by them?

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