Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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RE[3]: wow...
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 21:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: wow..."
wumip
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2009-08-20

<blockquote>Servers are not super computers that control our lives.</blockquote>
No one claimed that either. What the video says is that we have come to rely on other people's servers to do stuff. But now there's an alternative.

<blockquote>There is nothing unique about unite, peer to peer networks with limited decentralization have been around and quite popular for almost a decade.</blockquote>
You are extremely narrow-minded. File sharing is just a tiny and limited use case for Unite. It's just something people easily understand.

<blockquote>In fact, you have significantly MORE freedom with something like GNUtella, since you don't have to agree to a fairly restrictive agreement, and you aren't going through a single companies proxy server to do it.</blockquote>
The proxy is just a fallback if a direct connection isn't possible.

<blockquote>Calling a computer not having installed some sort of server software oppressed trivializes the whole idea of what freedom actually is.</blockquote>
Opera never called anyone oppressed. In fact, Opera itself runs several types of servers. The point of the video was that you now have a choice.

<blockquote>The premise of the campaign is moronic.</blockquote>
No, it's just you who doesn't get it. So I wonder who the moron is...

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RE[4]: wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 22:04 in reply to "RE[3]: wow..."
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2006-02-05

You are extremely narrow-minded. File sharing is just a tiny and limited use case for Unite. It's just something people easily understand.


Ok, fine. Lets look at the other use cases and see how unique they are:

Chat
Streaming Media
File Sync
Online Photo Albums

Yeah, they are really pushing the bar.

The proxy is just a fallback if a direct connection isn't possible.


You also are agreeing to allow them to reuse, edit, or block access to your content arbitrarily, without warning, and without telling anyone.

Opera never called anyone oppressed. In fact, Opera itself runs several types of servers. The point of the video was that you now have a choice.


And my point is that servers have no impact on anything that be construed as "freedom", and that you have ALWAYS had a choice to run your own server, since servers are just software.

http://www.apache.org/
Apache: Promoting freedom from big servers since 1994

No, it's just you who doesn't get it. So I wonder who the moron is...


Again, they are using politically charged words to promote something that is not new, innovative, or interesting to anyone but a small amount of people who want to do this stuff, dont want to use the dozens of free services out there that are better, and are incapable of setting up services for themselves which are better.

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RE[5]: wow...
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 22:16 in reply to "RE[4]: wow..."
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

Ok, fine. Lets look at the other use cases and see how unique they are:

Yeah, they created some demo applications to start off. Other people have contributed with collaborative drawing boards, backup/synchronization over the net, etc. This is just the beginning. Unite is completely new.

If you can't see how computers being able to communicate instead of just being passive members of the web has huge potential, I guess that's your own problems.

Yeah, they are really pushing the bar.

Again, they are just some demos for some obvious use cases.

You also are agreeing to allow them to reuse, edit, or block access to your content arbitrarily, without warning, and without telling anyone.

Nope. They will require a court order to block your account, and even so, you don't have to use their servers to get a domain name.

And my point is that servers have no impact on anything that be construed as "freedom", and that you have ALWAYS had a choice to run your own server, since servers are just software.

YOU had that choice. 99% of the population never did. They do now.

Again, they are using politically charged words to promote something that is not new, innovative

It is indeed new and innovative, in that anyone can use it, and many of the applications are things you can't do with just Apache anyway.

Edited 2009-11-24 22:24 UTC

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