Linked by Kroc Camen on Fri 1st Jan 2010 15:36 UTC
Opera Software HTML5 Video is coming to Opera 10.5. Yesterday (or technically, last year--happy new year readers!) Opera released a new alpha build containing a preview of their HTML5 Video support. There's a number of details to note, not least that this is still an early alpha...
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Opera....
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 1st Jan 2010 18:41 UTC
modmans2ndcoming
Member since:
2005-11-09

Seriously... I don't think Opera has a chance in snot of moving out of the basement. The world is moving to webkit/khtml... Browser makers would be well advised to use webkit for rendering and focus on innovating features for the browser like faster JS, more scripting languages, content management features, etc.

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RE: Opera....
by helf on Fri 1st Jan 2010 18:51 in reply to "Opera...."
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Why?

I love how people will go on and on about choice and all then claim others should give up on *their* implementation of something and go with the more popular ones. Webkit isn't the be all, end all.

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RE: Opera....
by mtzmtulivu on Fri 1st Jan 2010 19:00 in reply to "Opera...."
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

consumers always wins when there is competition in the market. Opera may not "move out of the basement", but it plays a critical role in shaping where the web is going

If you read the article linked, you will see that opera was the browser that suggested the "video" tag, if the the browser that gave us tabs, it was one of the first browsers that scored high in acid tests and being web compliant and embarrass those that are already "out of the basement" and we, the consumers of the web are the beneficiary



the web stagnated when IE was the only dominant browser, the web will stagnate if web browsers are reduced to only one or two ..let there be many, let them compete on how to best serve the web and let us enjoy the benefits of the competition

you may not use opera as your browser, my it simply being in existance is putting pressure on your browser of choice and you should be thankful for that because you are indirectly benefiting from it

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RE[2]: Opera....
by g0nad on Fri 1st Jan 2010 20:14 in reply to "RE: Opera...."
g0nad Member since:
2009-02-22

well said

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RE: Opera....
by wumip on Fri 1st Jan 2010 20:12 in reply to "Opera...."
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

Out of the basement?

Opera is the #1 mobile browser, with a market share of nearly 30% or so.

The world is not moving to WK. What is happening is that there are a lot of WK forks. There is no mobile WK:

http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/10/there_is_no_web.htm...

Your imaginary scenario where the engine will be the same will never happen.

Also, browsers using webkit will always be "owned" by Apple since Apple basically runs the WK project. So anyone who goes for WK will either be a slave to Apple's release cycles, or will have to fork WK and develop it into something entirely different, and you're stuck with two different engines anyway in the end.

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RE[2]: Opera....
by mckill on Fri 1st Jan 2010 20:24 in reply to "RE: Opera...."
mckill Member since:
2007-06-12

sorry. but you're way off. WK doesn't need to actually be mobile, that's why it's getting so popular, a full browser that can run on mobiles.

webkit isn't tied to apple, they do dedicate a lot of money to the project with their coders, it also hasn't stopped a number of other companies using webkit and releasing things on their own schedule.

there is a clear difference between webkit's release cycle and Safari's release cycle.

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RE[2]: Opera....
by daveak on Fri 1st Jan 2010 20:43 in reply to "RE: Opera...."
daveak Member since:
2008-12-29

Yes they will all be ruled by Apple, Google will have no so whatsoever.

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by KugelKurt on Fri 1st Jan 2010 23:31 in reply to "RE: Opera...."
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Also, browsers using webkit will always be "owned" by Apple since Apple basically runs the WK project. So anyone who goes for WK will either be a slave to Apple's release cycles


WebKit has no release cycles. Each port (Cocoa, Qt, GTK, Chrome) has its own cycle. Each port is managed separately. Apple only manages the Cocoa port.

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RE[2]: Opera....
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 3rd Jan 2010 07:07 in reply to "RE: Opera...."
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Google and Apple and KDE produce webkit code. It is not an apple project. When Mozilla jumps on to the web kit engine, it will be all but over.

Seriously... the focus of competition should be on end user features and scripting engines.

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RE: Opera....
by tyrione on Fri 1st Jan 2010 20:27 in reply to "Opera...."
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Seriously... I don't think Opera has a chance in snot of moving out of the basement. The world is moving to webkit/khtml... Browser makers would be well advised to use webkit for rendering and focus on innovating features for the browser like faster JS, more scripting languages, content management features, etc.


The world isn't moving to Webkit/khtml.

The world is moving to WebKit.

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RE[2]: Opera....
by wumip on Fri 1st Jan 2010 21:56 in reply to "RE: Opera...."
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

The world is moving to a bunch of hard-to-manage forks of Webkit.

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