Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Feb 2010 23:25 UTC, submitted by Chicken Blood
Apple The beauty of the internet is such that every opinion has become worthless; this goes doubly so for those with publish buttons on (relatively, we're humble) major websites. For every opinion, there's a matching counter-opinion, and that's great. Yesterday, we linked to an article by Mark Pilgrim about tinkerers and the iPad, and of course, someone was bound to disagree with that one.
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RE[6]: Now that's Sniveling!
by nt_jerkface on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 06:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Now that's Sniveling! "
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

Perhaps you would like to see stickers on all boxes - Opening this device by anyone other than an authorized dealer will invalidate the warranty and may result in criminal prosecution and on the front installing or loading any unauthorized optical disc into this device may invalidate the warranty and result in criminal prosecution.


Do you think people should be allowed to turn back the odometer on their cars since they own them? How about removing the catalytic converter?

Society sets limits all the time with ownership. No I don't think opening your xbox should result in criminal prosecution but I glad that it invalidates the warranty since there needs to be more deterrents against piracy.

In pc gaming there is no deterrent and games are pirated like crazy. The problem is not with device manufacturers but with people. There are too many people that will skip out on the bill if they know that they can get away with it. I don't like this reality anymore than you but it is one that I have seen first hand.


I yes you just want to play games - so just go and play GTA an be a real dude in a fantasy world after all the real world doesn't matter.


Games are a break from the real world. You know, entertainment?

Edited 2010-02-03 07:04 UTC

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Do you think people should be allowed to turn back the odometer on their cars since they own them? How about removing the catalytic converter?


I suppose the analogy is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands - but if we're using an automotive analogy. I suppose the closest analogy to "winding back the odometer" would be trying to pass off a dual-core as a quad-core and is hardly relevant here. The catalytic converter there is no relevance here.

However, do I think someone should be allowed to open the bonnet (hood) and change the carburetor, fit bigger valves and skim the head - absolutely. My guess you think not as it might encourage them to break the speed limit.

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aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

no, winding back the odometer does not affect performance. It's just a misrepresentation of what you are selling.

Saying it's a quad core, but only selling a dual core is a performance difference...

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I suppose the closest analogy to "winding back the odometer" would be trying to pass off a dual-core as a quad-core and is hardly relevant here. The catalytic converter there is no relevance here.


Who said anything about selling? You're not allowed to turn back the odometer even if you keep your car in the woods. Tampering with it is against the law.

Why does the catalytic converter have no relevance? It's another part you are not allowed to remove. The point is that society already sets limits on ownership for a greater good. It isn't anything new.

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

I can't run over someone with my computer and kill them due to faulty maintenance.

Computers aren't cars, deal with it. This is a discussion about apple locking everything down, not about discussing idiotic "straw man" things.

Edited 2010-02-03 15:36 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Computers aren't cars, deal with it. This is a discussion about apple locking everything down, not about discussing idiotic "straw man" things.


It really has nothing to do with cars. The point is that society sometimes imposes limits on ownership for a greater good. Everyone is for some of these limits to a degree. Total freedom is chaos.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

But one can turn back the odomiter or remove teh converter if they want. They are fully within there rights to invalidate there car's road certification.

Mind you, both of these have very real safety implications that can result in loss of life. The imposed limitations on computers through draconian EULA and such have little to do with safety of the operator or others. If I loosen the steering on my computer, my mouse will be wobbly but I'm not going to be wrapping my computer around a tree and three pedestrians am I?

Rational limitations imposed to protect public safety; worth considering.

Use limitations imposed to protect unimaginative business models; BS.

You also continue to blindly believe that opening one's Xbox will lead directly to piracy. Gosh, surely nothing to do with good parenting or ethics involved; it's purely because little johnny could open his Xbox without criminal charges.

Edited 2010-02-03 19:12 UTC

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