Linked by David Adams on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 08:37 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless While it's been a low-level grumbling for years, the issue of Flash on mobile devices (and particularly the iPhone/Touch/iPad ecosystem) has reached fever pitch over the past few weeks, with Steve Jobs as self-appointed Flash basher-in-Chief. The OSNews crowd, that is, dyed-in-the-wool technologists have, by and large, not been big fans of Flash, with its spotty availability and performance on alternative platforms, resource hogging, and instability. And though it's quite useful for web video and other specialized interfaces, it drives the tech savvy crazy when it's used for utterly superfluous multimedia bling. So we've had a lively discussion of the pros and cons of Flash, and whether device users should be free to make their own decision about whether it's worthy to install on their iPads. But we're leaving out an important detail. As Daniel Eran Dilger, a Flash developer, points out, almost all the important existing Flash infrastructure won't work anyway. Update: A worthwhile rebuttal to this point of view.
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RE: This is BS
by robojerk on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 18:29 UTC in reply to "This is BS"
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2006-01-10

The site admins seem to hate Flash above everything else at the moment. I understand their push for HTML5, open standards makes life better for web users and developers.

The Steve Jobs rant was pointless though. A CEO bitching about a rival company's product. Steve was making the right arguments (I am still skeptical about Flash 10.1 draining battery life) for the wrong reasons. Steve Jobs wants the iPod/iPad base to buy video, games, and music from iTunes. It makes perfect sense for him to want that and I don't fault him for it, it's his job to make sure that Apple is profitable.

Flash should be phased out in my opinion, however I don't quite think HTML5 is quite ready to take over. One big hurdle is Internet Explorer. Love it or hate it and no matter how much a % share Firefox or WebKit has IE still has a very large user base. I don't see sites jumping on the HTML5 bandwagon yet until they're sure to still retain that market.

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RE[2]: This is BS
by kaiwai on Tue 23rd Feb 2010 06:13 in reply to "RE: This is BS"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The site admins seem to hate Flash above everything else at the moment. I understand their push for HTML5, open standards makes life better for web users and developers.


There is a reason to hate Flash - because it doesn't perform. If Adobe actually fixed the bloody faults with the plugin - guess what, no one would give a crap about it, there would be next to no discussion apart from the Stallmanites sitting on the fringes of this forum. Does Flash perform well on Windows (Internet Explorer and ActiveX plugin)? sure, I've run it and it runs wonderfully but as soon as you start running it on non-Windows platforms then the quality nose dives. Flash on Mac OS X is a complete joke - Steve Jobs may resort to hyperbole when it comes to crashes but he is on the right rack. On Mac OS X, Flash is horribly unreliable and it has nothing to do with Adobe not having access to hardware and everything to do with the fact that they simply don't know what the hell they're doing.

Fix the damn plugin and you'll find the complaints about Flash would go away over night. That is the only reason I hate Flash; because of the crap performance, its ability to crash a browser and its memory, battery and CPU hogging qualities - nothing ideological, just a practical reality of having a technology that sucks and the software vendor who makes it (Adobe) refusing to even acknowledge the fault let alone taking it upon themselves to fix the damn problem.

Edited 2010-02-23 06:22 UTC

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RE[3]: This is BS
by darknexus on Tue 23rd Feb 2010 11:24 in reply to "RE[2]: This is BS"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

And it's inaccessible and Adobe, like with everything else, doesn't give a damn. I've written to them before about it and have actually been derided openly for raising the issue, essentially being told that while Macromedia might have worked at it, Adobe doesn't give a f*** and won't ever give a f***. That's why I hate Flash and, even if the OS X performance issues were fixed, I'd still hate it because any web site that uses Flash for more than content playback is about as unusable for me as a page can get. Add to that an alternate Flash plugin can never be developed completely, given that some of the spec still isn't released, and I have plenty of reasons to find Flash the bane of my browsing experience.

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