Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Mar 2010 16:54 UTC
Internet Explorer As predicted, more Microsoft news from MIX10, and this is some big stuff: Internet Explorer 9. As we all know, Microsoft really let Internet Explorer rot away, allowing competitors to make much better browsers with better standards compliance and performance. With IE9, Microsoft is aiming to not just close that gap - but to overtake the competition. Update: Ars has an in-depth look at the platform preview.
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by beowuff on Tue 16th Mar 2010 17:42 UTC
beowuff
Member since:
2006-07-26

"A hot iron is obviously standards compliance, and it appears that Microsoft has finally learnt its lesson with this one."

This is just the cycle of "embrace, extend, exterminate" that is typical of MS. I'm not saying this is either good or bad, as I believe it has led to both.

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by google_ninja on Tue 16th Mar 2010 18:21 in reply to "Not actually new..."
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

what are you basing that on? this will be the third major release they have done that actually moves it to standards compliance, and we still haven't seen anything remotely like "extend" or "exterminate"

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by beowuff on Tue 16th Mar 2010 18:50 in reply to "RE: Not actually new..."
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by beowuff on Tue 16th Mar 2010 19:11 in reply to "RE: Not actually new..."
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by umccullough on Tue 16th Mar 2010 21:06 in reply to "RE: Not actually new..."
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

what are you basing that on? this will be the third major release they have done that actually moves it to standards compliance, and we still haven't seen anything remotely like "extend" or "exterminate"


Maybe that's cuz they're still trying to "embrace" ;)

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by modmans2ndcoming on Tue 16th Mar 2010 21:30 in reply to "Not actually new..."
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

so... now MS is playing by the standards and you are criticizing them because "they are just going to embrace and extend"

Are you kidding me!!

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by kaiwai on Tue 16th Mar 2010 22:07 in reply to "Not actually new..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

"A hot iron is obviously standards compliance, and it appears that Microsoft has finally learnt its lesson with this one."

This is just the cycle of "embrace, extend, exterminate" that is typical of MS. I'm not saying this is either good or bad, as I believe it has led to both.


I simply don't see them doing it because they've come to a realisation; HTML5 isn't a threat to them because ultimately people who want to use Silverlight will use it, just as those who want to use HTML5 will use HTML5. They provide development tools for both types of developers and they come out winners at the other end. So it isn't an all or nothing game, it isn't either all or HTML5 or all Silverlight.

For Silverlight, I find that the people it is being pitched to are those whom Adobe AIR is being pitched to; so expect to start seeing the VB applications gradually die out as they're replaced with Silverlight applications where the one application can be run on the desktop and hand held. A large corporation creating a nice database front end for employee's to access that is accessible via a desktop or via hand held WM7 devices without the need of any funky recompiling, refactoring, recoding etc.

The Microsoft of today, as ruthlessly competitive, is a totally different beast than it was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago. What I would love to see from Microsoft is Silverlight development tools for Mac - if we must have a platform like Silverlight, I would love to see Microsoft make it an open standard that is royalty free to implement and development tools for Windows and Mac.

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by mnem0 on Tue 16th Mar 2010 23:15 in reply to "Not actually new..."
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by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 16th Mar 2010 23:17 in reply to "RE: Not actually new..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

In particular they are adding a non-compatible video tag (doesn't support royalty free theora codec). The average "incompatibility rate" of IE will still remain high.


As much as I dislike h264, this is just nonsense. There is, sadly, nothing non-standard about using h264 as the video codec for HTML5 video.

And the beauty is - if you have the Theora codec installed on Windows (through the mega codec pack, for instance), Theora video will most likely work fine as well - the wonders of DirectShow (or whatever it's called in Vista/7).

You're really grasping at straws here.

EDIT: Oh, it's called Media Foundation in Vista/7 - DirectShow is still there though for compatibility reasons.

Edited 2010-03-16 23:18 UTC

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