Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Apr 2010 09:39 UTC
Games I think we need to start a digital rights category or something (the next version of OSNews will have it, for sure), because we have yet another article about this subject. After Sony removed the Other OS feature from the PlayStation 3, a European PlayStation 3 owner successfully secured a partial refund from Amazon under the European Sale of Goods Act. Sony has now retaliated, stating it is not going to reimburse retailers.
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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Laurence on Fri 16th Apr 2010 11:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Oh, and Apple weren’t arseholes before the iPhone came along


Oh I think they were. They just had less clout so it wasn't really an issue


Sony were awesome with the PSX, ever since the PS2 it’s been nothing but downhill


Even before the PS2, Sony have been like this.
I remember countless occations when fellow DJ mates came to blows with Sony over their faulty DJ headphones.
I remember the CD rootkits Sony was pioneering.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 16th Apr 2010 12:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Okay, well relatively. It was 2005, Tiger had been launched, Intel switch over had been announced. It was a good time to switch to Mac and it was a good OS.

A computer is just a tool. The iPhone / iPad only does X. Apple don’t allow it to do Y. The blogosphere is so totally hung up on “It doesn’t do Y, it doesn’t do Y!!” that they are missing the fact that consumers can only see what it _can_ do—X—and are so blown away by how well it does X that they don’t care that it can’t do Y; they didn’t buy it because they expected it to someday do Y too, that would just be a pleasant bonus. It does X better than even things that do X and Y that they want it. It’s only developers Apple are screwing here, not users.

Sony, on the other hand have sold a product that can do X _and_ Y. Then they have removed Y after the user had bought the product, knowing that it can do Y. That is illegal in the UK and the EU.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by google_ninja on Fri 16th Apr 2010 13:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

A computer is just a tool. The iPhone / iPad only does X. Apple don’t allow it to do Y. The blogosphere is so totally hung up on “It doesn’t do Y, it doesn’t do Y!!” that they are missing the fact that consumers can only see what it _can_ do—X—and are so blown away by how well it does X that they don’t care that it can’t do Y; they didn’t buy it because they expected it to someday do Y too, that would just be a pleasant bonus. It does X better than even things that do X and Y that they want it. It’s only developers Apple are screwing here, not users.


That was the best description of the situation I have ever read on the internet.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Morgan on Sat 17th Apr 2010 03:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

A computer is just a tool. The iPhone / iPad only does X. Apple don’t allow it to do Y. The blogosphere is so totally hung up on “It doesn’t do Y, it doesn’t do Y!!” that they are missing the fact that consumers can only see what it _can_ do—X—and are so blown away by how well it does X that they don’t care that it can’t do Y; they didn’t buy it because they expected it to someday do Y too, that would just be a pleasant bonus. It does X better than even things that do X and Y that they want it. It’s only developers Apple are screwing here, not users.


Bingo. My iPod touch is hands down the best portable computer I've ever owned, and I include my venerable old PowerBook G3 in that group. Why? Because it puts nearly every portable tool I need in my pocket. I have--via free apps all the way around--a remote desktop tool, a WiFi scanner capable of detecting "hidden" APs, several calculators including statistical, financial and graphing, a full featured PIM that syncs with my Mac with no clunky third party interface, a SIP phone, a police scanner, a GPS enabled mapping program...the list goes on.

I've even tried it jailbroken, and there was nothing of value to me in the Cydia and Rock stores compared to the official App Store, with the obvious exception of Google Voice. So, even though I had access to the "Y" stuff, I reverted to the stock "X" selections and am doing just fine.

And honestly, I really don't think Apple is screwing the developers, at least from a financial sense. The App Store is (from my outsider-looking-in POV) one of the most financially sound and reliable sources of revenue a coder is likely to ever see, at least if they have the entrepreneurial spirit. Perhaps those programmers used to the code-monkey grind at a Fortune 500 company would be fearful of taking the plunge. Likewise, open-source coders probably won't find anything they like about Apple's model. All I can say is, if I had the programming skills I'd jump at the chance to make a buck on the App Store.

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v RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by MarkG on Fri 16th Apr 2010 12:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 16th Apr 2010 12:19 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Yet Sony shipped it, tried to cover it up, and then issued a fix that opened up a massive security flaw on the comptuer. Don’t be so naïve as to think Sony were totally oblivious to what was going on. Where do you think First4Internet got their orders?

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Laurence on Fri 16th Apr 2010 13:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Cretin alert..

You know it wasn't Sony that created the Rootkit, that was First4Internet...

You might want to check facts before just passing on common (but wrong) myths.


You're missing one little detail: I didn't say Sony created it.

Furthermore I'm left wondering why you think your name calling and highly aggressive tone is in any way appropriate.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by google_ninja on Fri 16th Apr 2010 13:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

or how they made the otherwise phenomenal mini disc players next to useless with the drm that locked you into their terrible, terrible software.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 16th Apr 2010 13:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

or how they made the otherwise phenomenal mini disc players next to useless with the drm that locked you into their terrible, terrible software.


Yup. As a die-hard MiniDisc fan, that one still hurts. 't Was only recently that I joined the iPod generation, but only because I got my iPhone.

MiniDisc > any mp3 player.

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