Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 29th Apr 2010 16:59 UTC
Editorial Holier-than-thou, an adjective, meaning "marked by an air of superior piety or morality". Everybody has moments in their life where they get into a "holier-than-thou" attitude, and I think Steve Jobs' open letter regarding Adobe, and Flash in particular, really fits the bill. There are three specific points I want to address to illustrate just how holier-than-thou, hypocritical, and misleading this letter really is.
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Good Points/But Flash Is Crap
by parrotjoe on Thu 29th Apr 2010 17:46 UTC
parrotjoe
Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom has made very legitimate points about Steve/Apple. I have not deleted Windows but, like Thom was saying, when I go from my Mac desktop to my Windows desktop and use iTunes, it is truly a cringe-worthy experience.

But, on to Flash. Steve is right in the more narrow sense. Flash is crap, especially for mobile devices. And there are much better alternatives. In this case the ball is in Adobe's court and Jobs has put it there. Adobe should really and truly get rid of Flash and embrace the new tools. Again, I am speaking in this more narrow sense and not in the wider sense that Thom did.

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mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14


But, on to Flash. Steve is right in the more narrow sense. Flash is crap, especially for mobile devices. And there are much better alternatives. In this case the ball is in Adobe's court and Jobs has put it there. Adobe should really and truly get rid of Flash and embrace the new tools. Again, I am speaking in this more narrow sense and not in the wider sense that Thom did.


flash is crap, nobody disputes this.

Question: Why does apple not want flash on their devices?

Answer: because flash has a runtime apple can not control. The prohibition of this is in their developer's agreement.

Saying this doesnt look good so they spin things.

Spin1: flush is a resource hog and drains battery life and that is why we dont allow it.

Adobe made their app to produce native code making spin1 moot and spin two was hence put forward

spin2: cross platform tools are inherently inferior.

it doesnt matter who has the ball, apple has the goal post and will move it around to maintain their strong hold on their devices and will spin things all day long.

not saying your point isnt valid, just saying it is used to justify moving around the goal post.

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bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23


flash is crap, nobody disputes this.

Question: Why does apple not want flash on their devices?

Answer: because flash has a runtime apple can not control. The prohibition of this is in their developer's agreement.

Saying this doesnt look good so they spin things.

Spin1: flush is a resource hog and drains battery life and that is why we dont allow it.

Adobe made their app to produce native code making spin1 moot and spin two was hence put forward

spin2: cross platform tools are inherently inferior.

it doesnt matter who has the ball, apple has the goal post and will move it around to maintain their strong hold on their devices and will spin things all day long.

not saying your point isnt valid, just saying it is used to justify moving around the goal post.


If you wanted the best experience for customers of your hardware, wouldn't you be just as demanding of a high performance solution?

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aahjnnot Member since:
2008-07-24

Flash may be crap. But I want the freedom to choose crap.

Few things are new. In his classic 1934 novel Brave New World, Aldous Huxley explored the issue that divides Jobs and Thom - how much is freedom worth? Mustapha in this extract sounds exactly like Steve Jobs. Thom sounds like the Savage. And I'm with Thom: there's more to life than anodyne, predictable, reliable comfort. I want to choose for myself.

“But I don’t want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin.”

“In fact,” said Mustapha Mond, “you’re claiming the right to be unhappy.”

“All right then,” said the Savage defiantly, “I’m claiming the nght to be unhappy.”

“Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat; the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen tomorrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind.”

There was a long silence.

“I claim them all,” said the Savage at last.

In Steve's world of control freakery, anything he determines is bad is banned. The rest of us must don our black polo necks and behave like the clones he wants us to become.

No thank you.

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patrix Member since:
2006-05-21

You have the right to chose another phone, too. It's a product, with a certain architecture/echosystem, which you are free to use or not. There is no moral to it, no good vs evil.

Patrix

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

But, on to Flash. Steve is right in the more narrow sense. Flash is crap, especially for mobile devices. And there are much better alternatives.


Of course, that didn't stop Apple from including Flash support in QuickTime for years... and they only removed that support when people started creating iMovie plugins using Flash (because QT's Flash support enabled iMovie plugins which added functionality that was otherwise only available in the Final Cut products).

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom has made very legitimate points about Steve/Apple. I have not deleted Windows but, like Thom was saying, when I go from my Mac desktop to my Windows desktop and use iTunes, it is truly a cringe-worthy experience.

But, on to Flash. Steve is right in the more narrow sense. Flash is crap, especially for mobile devices. And there are much better alternatives. In this case the ball is in Adobe's court and Jobs has put it there. Adobe should really and truly get rid of Flash and embrace the new tools. Again, I am speaking in this more narrow sense and not in the wider sense that Thom did.


At what point did Steve Jobs nominate himself as the bouncer at the entry of my device? If I wish to install Flash on my i-device then I should be allowed to, just as I should be allowed to install what ever application produced with what ever tool I want on my device. Does Flash suck on Mac OS X? of course but how much of it is actually solely the result of Adobe because ultimately it takes two to tango.

Btw, don't think that HTML5 is going to be the saving grace of the internet given that all benchmarks shown that an equally as complex application as what is produced in flash will hog just as much CPU power. Was Flash 10.0 a hog? sure, but 10.1 has changed, improved, and it is up to Apple to work with Adobe to improve performance just as it is up to developers who write for Flash to ensure that they're using the best code to achieve a given objective.

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