Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Jun 2010 19:17 UTC
Linux Linux Magazine has a profile of Daniel Fore and the Elementary project. Elementary is a Linux distro that's committed to a clean and simple user experience, but it's more than a distro - it's actually a multi-pronged effort to make improvements to the user experience for a whole ecosystem of components, including icons, a GTK theme, Midori improvements, Nautilus, and even Firefox. The work that elementary is doing isn't limited to their own distro, and some of their work is available in current, and perhaps future, Ubuntu releases. The results are really striking, and I think it's probably the handsomest Linux UI I've ever seen.
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Copying
by reez on Fri 18th Jun 2010 23:38 UTC
reez
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2006-06-28

The problem is they are all copying. While it is nice to have an interface you can use, because you already know it it isn't really something that makes desktop users switching. Both Windows and OS X have always been copied. The two usually interesting things for the average desktop user I know are it's security and the fact that it's free. It has been faster (from the view of a desktop user, so I'm speaking of responsiveness), but I think Windows 7 pretty much changed this. They are now both responsive enough.

The real problem is the same as it has always been. A user can't use the (very same!) application he used to use on Windows. This does change with web applications and the browser being the primary application nowadays. So I think Mozilla Firefox is something that makes people switch. Nut not all applications run in your browser (yet?), so if you want to increase the market share one should care that many software vendors build native applications and every windows application runs using wine.

But honestly I don't really care which OS people use ;)

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RE: Copying
by Darkmage on Fri 18th Jun 2010 23:49 in reply to "Copying"
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2006-10-20

If you're going to copy osx, at least do it right. Use gnustep/etoile and finish the damn APIs. Get all the open source osx software ported to linux, by that point your api's should be close enough to osx to get a lot of the professional mac software ported. Sure you'll never get apple porting apps but you can still get to a very usable system point. Might even get Adobe porting if you do a good enough job.

There's 200,000 iphone/ipad developers, hitting them up for code on linux would be a decent way to expand the developerbase of linux. Plus there's a bunch of cool toys we could get ported. ATM GNUStep is working on porting coregraphics to linux. Would be interesting if linux could run most iphone/ipad apps.

Edited 2010-06-18 23:53 UTC

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RE[2]: Copying
by MacMan on Sat 19th Jun 2010 03:31 in reply to "RE: Copying"
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2006-11-19

Finishing GnuSTEP would be nice, but I don't think its ever going to happen. I tried GnuSTEP (Ubuntu 10.04, installed from Synaptic) a few weeks ago, and it is an absolute disaster. Its still about 5% there, I really can't tell what has changed since freaking 1996 or 1997 when I tried it last. WTF have the GnuSTEP devs don in 14 freaking years???

There might be some hope for a new re-implementation of the Cocoa apis called cocotron: http://www.cocotron.org/

In a few years he's done more that GnuSTEP has in its entire history.

Cocoa really is a wonderful toolkit, it should be easy to wrap it around GTK or Win32, no idea why GnuSTEP wants to roll its own rendering layer.

So, yeh, it would be my dream to have a 100% free, open source OSX compatible OS, if that ever happens, I doubt GnuSTEP will have had any part in it.

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RE[2]: Copying
by vivainio on Sat 19th Jun 2010 06:40 in reply to "RE: Copying"
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2008-12-26


There's 200,000 iphone/ipad developers, hitting them up for code on linux would be a decent way to expand the developerbase of linux.

We have Mono already, and it seems gazillions of Windows developers didn't suddenly start writing Linux applications.

BTW, how do the GNUStep guys feel about recent actions of Apple? Do they still feel objc ecosystem is something they want to support on their volunteer time?

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