Linked by David Adams on Fri 16th Jul 2010 17:59 UTC
Apple In a move that should surprise nobody, Apple has sort-of admitted to iPhone antenna problems in their press conference this morning, claiming it affects a small number of users, but they claim to be working hard to fix the problems that they have confirmed. They've offered free bumpers (that have until now been a $30 accessory) to all iPhone buyers, and are offering to waive any restocking fees for anyone who wants to return their iPhone 4. Whether or not there's going to be a hardware fix for future iPhones, Steve Jobs says he doesn't know yet whether that will happen.
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Best Smartphone on the market?
by WorknMan on Fri 16th Jul 2010 18:55 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

The iPhone 4 definitely has problems with reception, but I still think it's the best smartphone on the market.


Really? Have you checked out the new DroidX? Compared to just about any high-end Android phone, the iPhone4 is like child's play.

Look, I'm not a fanboy and I understand the iPhone has its place. There are a lot more games to choose from and I think it's a nice fit for somebody who finds the Android OS a bit intimidating, but I hardly expected anybody on this site to fall into that crowd. Compared to iOS, the Android platform:

- Is not locked down to a craptastic piece of software like iTunes
- Is not exclusive to AT&T
- Voice search that works for anything in the phone
- Integrates nicely with Google Voice and other Google apps (free texting FTW)
- Is infinitely more customizable
- The apps in the marketplace have a 24 hour return policy
- Google maps/navigation and notification bar vastly superior on Android

In regard to the antenna flaw, in general, companies that sell a $600 device that is flawed out of the box like that usually get blasted to hell. And obviously so with good reason. Apple does it and sheep like Engadget go out of their way to douse the fires with absolutely no reason other than pure brand loyalty.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9206/droidx3.jpg

Edited 2010-07-16 19:08 UTC

Reply Score: 4

ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I still think the Nokia N900 with Maemo 5 is a better device.

Reply Parent Score: 8

David Member since:
1997-10-01

Yes, but apparently you're a lemur, so what would you know? :-)

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David Member since:
1997-10-01

It's not just about features, and it's not just about numbers. It's about user experience. Granted, being tied to iTunes is a big UX minus, but the way I have my phone configured, I only connect to iTunes very rarely. And where I live, At&t is no worse than any other carrier. When I was in Chicago a few weeks ago, I could barely make a phone call, so I know why some people are pissed about it, but for me it's not a big deal, and I need GSM anyway because I travel internationally, so Verizon wouldn't be a good fit for me anyway. I also wish that Apple and Google were on better terms so I could get better integration with Google on the iPhone, but that's one of many tradeoffs that you need to make with smartphones these days. I'm very enthusiastic about Android's future, but for now, there's no Android phone with an overall user experience that's up to the standard that the iphone has set.

Of course, much of that is subjective, and I wouldn't recommend against buying an Android phone for all the reasons you state.

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Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

"The iPhone 4 definitely has problems with reception, but I still think it's the best smartphone on the market.


Really? Have you checked out the new DroidX? Compared to just about any high-end Android phone, the iPhone4 is like child's play.

Look, I'm not a fanboy and I understand the iPhone has its place. There are a lot more games to choose from and I think it's a nice fit for somebody who finds the Android OS a bit intimidating, but I hardly expected anybody on this site to fall into that crowd. Compared to iOS, the Android platform:

- Is not locked down to a craptastic piece of software like iTunes
- Is not exclusive to AT&T
- Voice search that works for anything in the phone
- Integrates nicely with Google Voice and other Google apps (free texting FTW)
- Is infinitely more customizable
- The apps in the marketplace have a 24 hour return policy
- Google maps/navigation and notification bar vastly superior on Android

In regard to the antenna flaw, in general, companies that sell a $600 device that is flawed out of the box like that usually get blasted to hell. And obviously so with good reason. Apple does it and sheep like Engadget go out of their way to douse the fires with absolutely no reason other than pure brand loyalty.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9206/droidx3.jpg
"

The DroidX is the device to beat. Absolutely killer phone/features. Say goodbye, iphone.

Reply Parent Score: 5

jackeebleu Member since:
2006-01-26

Hmmm, Droid X huh? And I can make and call and use data features simultaneously on that right? Huh?

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Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

DroidX? The phone that have an autodestruction switch trigered when it get rooted? The succesor of a phone that have been rooted and USB host mode hacked to make it good then they answer with that? If that's the best phone on the market, then I would take an iPhone4 over it. Steve may not like jailbreaker, but he wont stop them as long as they don't steal too much apps. OSX + Unix userland and Android in dual boot is better than Android locked down with a f*cking time bomb in it.

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vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

If that's the best phone on the market, then I would take an iPhone4 over it. Steve may not like jailbreaker, but he wont stop them as long as they don't steal too much apps.


Yeah, Steve will actually be your friend if you think of him nicely. If you say a quiet prayer for him in the evening, he may answer in the morning - or that's what the legend says.

EDIT: and yeah, there is a huge chasm of difference between freedom with iphone and even locked down android phone. DroidX is a single phone - iphone/iOS is a full auschwitch ecosystem.

Edited 2010-07-16 20:52 UTC

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

DroidX? The phone that have an autodestruction switch trigered when it get rooted?


You need to do more research on this... the DroidX does not have an 'autodestruction switch' (or if it does, it's not tured on).

Edited 2010-07-16 21:35 UTC

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

The phone that have an autodestruction switch trigered when it get rooted?


Yes, maybe they should take Apple's approach and try to claim that jailbroken just accidentally/magically brick themselves.

Steve may not like jailbreaker, but he wont stop them as long as lawmakers aren't stupid enough to buy his lies about why jailbreaking should be criminalized.


There, fixed that for you.

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bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

Being exclusive to AT&T is a US specific issue, people in other countries don't have that problem. In the UK for instance you can buy unlocked iphones at the apple store, and all the major networks are offering them.

I also find google earth to be better on iphone (3gs) than android (nexus one), i can twist to rotate on the iphone version but not on android, no idea why.

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vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

Am I the only one to think that the DroidX is just a plain phone compared to the better looking iphone 4? There are design companies in this world and that's all they've come up with? God!

Edited 2010-07-16 23:18 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

You're missing a big benefit of the iphone which is offline movies.

With a few thumb swipes I can have a new movie on download and ready for when I get on the plane.

Please don't tell me about how I can copy avi files over from my computer. That isn't a comparable feature and there is no centralized library of legal avi files. Droid users just make themselves look cheap when they suggest piracy as an alternative to itunes.

Edited 2010-07-18 23:31 UTC

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graigsmith Member since:
2006-04-05

- Is not locked down to a craptastic piece of software like iTunes

yeah, itunes isn't the nicest software to use on windows, in some ways i hate it. but the underlying tech of it is great. but you got the issue wrong. with android you are locked out. with android you can't just go to a videostore and buy and put some tv shows or a movie on your device. your locked out of video, and thats how i felt when i had a droid. being locked out of the video market is the main reason why one would want to avoid android completely.

- Voice search that works for anything in the phone
- Integrates nicely with Google Voice and other Google apps (free texting FTW)


i'll give you that. google voice is perfectly integrated with android. but i can get google talk support with a 3rd party app on my new iphone 4. voice search was kinda cool, but i rarely used it. and never ever used the voice search in public. i mean, lets just announce to the whole world what i am searching for lol.

- Google maps/navigation and notification bar vastly superior on Android

google maps on my droid would take forever to start up the gps on it. i don't know if i got a bad phone or if it was a software issue. sometimes it wouldn't locate me, and i would have to restart the phone. this is totally frustrating. on the bright side, android is one of the fastest booting phones i have tried. my iphone4 instantly finds you via gps. as soon as you hit the google maps button you are located. thats how it should work. i don't get google navigation on iphone like android has, but i can download waze or some other navigation app. maps is usable enough to find your way, and it always works. i miss the notification bar of the droid, that was pretty cool. the iphone will show little numbers besides the icons to show you how many new messages or events you have. that works well enough for me, and i wouldn't call androids method "vastly" superior.

in reguards to the antenna "flaw" i havent been having any issues with mine. yes i do notice the bars drop when i do the "death"grip. with or without my case the bars still drop. but it still works fine. in fact i get service in basements where my work phone doesn't work. In general, i am much happier with my iphone than i am my droid. i switched from the droid because the alarm would sometimes just fail to work for no reason.

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