Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 11th Oct 2005 17:36 UTC
Linux As smartphone prices decline, they have become more popular every day. Symbian, PalmOS, Windows Mobile and Linux seem to be the big names in this high-end market of phones, all showcasing PDA-like features, native toolkits and fast processors. Today we are looking at one of the most popular Linux smartphones (especially in Asia), the Motorola E680i, which was released around May 2005 and was graciously provided by Geeks.com for this article.
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RE[5]: Maybe I'm retarded...but..
by ormandj on Tue 11th Oct 2005 21:24 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Maybe I'm retarded...but.."
ormandj
Member since:
2005-10-09

Because regardless of how I felt the review was, I found it in no way signified a 7/10, let alone 5/10, or even 3/10. Maybe if you had included the ^^^ information, then sure, a 7/10 would be understandable. Thanks for clearing up your feelings about the phone for those of us who can't read minds/don't like making assumptions that "everything else must be good" simply because it wasn't mentioned as bad. I'll leave this thread alone now, the other readers can get the information out of it needed, and continuing the thread will only lead to the flamewars I'm accustomed to seeing. Really, the attitude isn't necessary, I'm sorry I didn't make assumptions concerning your thoughts, and I'm sorry for being honest in my opinions. It's a good review, it could just do with your previous post tacked on, to clarify the 7/10 rating. Otherwise people will be left thinking it's full of issues, and has very little good going for it.

I'll leave you with some examples of phones that were highly rated. Notice the good/bad ratio in them. There is a reason for that, regardless of what you (the reviewer) might think about the phone, if you don't clarify things, none of your readers will understand.

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=1393&source=BROWSER
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/samsung-d600-en.shtml

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fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe if you had included the ^^^ information

And here is the last paragraph of the review:

[i]Having said all that, this remains a good Linux phone. It has a pretty fast boot time (for a Linux) and it comes with 2 styluses and 2 batteries. Performance is good, overall; it is expandable and extensible (there is even an Opie port with Qt 2.3.10), it's super-stable and works well as a phone. Could it have been done better if Motorola had been more careful on the details and fix some eye-popping obvious bugs/problems? Definitely! But it's almost as good as it goes today with Linux phones and I am pretty sure that future Linux phones will be even better and will compete with Symbian and Windows Mobile more vigorously.[i]

Sound 7/10 positivish to me!

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ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

To me: "It's almost as good as it goes today with Linux phones" == neutral, since all linux phones thus far have pretty much sucked compared to the symbian/windows mobile/etc phones.

As well: "this remains a good Linux phone" == no meaning, a "good Linux phone" can be completely obliterated by the current crop of smartphones (well, I've not used this new one, so I can't qualify that statement).

Thirdly: "Performance is good, overall" <-- I expect any phone I own to be terrific in performance. A slow phone is a brick to throw as far as I'm concerned.

I just don't see that as being a glowing 7/10. Maybe I just see things in a different light. Go ahead and remove my vote if it makes you feel better, you've my permission. I'm sorry for expressing my opinion.

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I always mention the generic goodness of a product. But I am making sure that I mention ALL the bad things, even more than the "normal" things, because people read reviews in order to learn about such potential problems. They want to know about problems MORE than they want to know about features (features that are already listed on the manufacturer's web site anyway) before they shed money on a product.

If for example, you are interested in the messaging client of a phone, and my review doesn't say anything in particular about it (apart from the fact that it exists), it means that the app works as expected! There is not much to say about it, it's a simple messaging client, sending SMS/MMS that feeds from your contact list. Nothing extraordinary there! Nothing to mention there! You should assume it works! However, if the client is not able to send a .3gp video, or it is not able to create sub-folders, or whatever else, I WOULD mention it.

MobileBurn and MobileReview are good sites, I read them daily. But my style is simply not the same.

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ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

A simple little disclaimer like that would go a _long_ way. This _really_ clears up all of my qualms with the original story. Especially the second paragraph. Your review makes complete sense now, knowing that. I just felt it shouldn't be left to assumption "how" you write reviews. I'm fairly new here, I don't know your "style" and I'm sure there's lots of other new people visiting every day. I really enjoyed seeing a review of a *phone* here, it makes for variety. I thought it was well written. I just didn't know your style was simply pick out ALL negative things, and generalize "it's a good phonelinux " -translated to-> everything that I didn't mention as bad is wonderful. Thank you absolutely for clearing this up. It'll make reading your future reviews very easy. Maybe there should be a Bio section to this site where we can read about people's personality/writing style?

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