Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Sep 2010 21:52 UTC
Games I've often harped on Apple for its policy regarding jailbreaking, but of course, Apple isn't the only company engaging in such practices. We already talked about Motorola, and now, we have Sony - already a company with a checkered past when it comes to consumer rights. As it turns out, Sony don't want you jailbreaking your their Playstation 3.
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RE: Ownership or Rental?
by nt_jerkface on Wed 8th Sep 2010 09:06 UTC in reply to "Ownership or Rental?"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

You do own it.

You are free to take a piss on it and then set it on fire.

It isn't a rental.

But if you want to use their private network service then you need to apply the update.

You own the box but not the service.

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RE[2]: Ownership or Rental?
by Moredhas on Wed 8th Sep 2010 09:19 in reply to "RE: Ownership or Rental?"
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2008-04-10

And here's an interesting scenario. Lots of threads in this story have ended with some variation of "you own the device but not the service". Personally, I think the Playstation market plain sucks, about the only aspect of PSN I use is the game hosting. So, would it be illegal for another company to provide an alternative to PSN? I'm sure the terms of service would say so, but ToS aren't laws, and if you aren't using their service, what do their terms matter?

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RE[3]: Ownership or Rental?
by Kivada on Wed 8th Sep 2010 09:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Ownership or Rental?"
Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

It would be interesting to see someone start a competing network to PSN, since Sony missed the mark in so many places with their consoles this time out.

SCEA needs to tell the rest of Sony to stick it where the sun don't shine, the Ps3 was billed as a computer, as such they should have had the basics that others have talked about available at or soon after launch, all of Sony's media software should have been ported imediatly, Youtube, Pandora et al.

All of Sony's music, movies and back catalog of first party games all at launch, full support of indie game development should have been a top priority. So what it pisses off EA, they aren't going to jump ship on a market as large as Sony provides since they aren't about anything but volume rehashes of their existing franchises.

The music should have, at the very least been released in .mp3, they had a chance at tying every Sony product into the console and really they should have as it would have strengthened their Apple like cult following that I've seen in some people when it comes to Sony products.

But nope, idiot project managers, DRM bound idiots and skiddish CEOs killed what should have been a turning point for them and would have likely ended up being a death nail in the XBox.

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RE[2]: Ownership or Rental?
by Kivada on Wed 8th Sep 2010 09:35 in reply to "RE: Ownership or Rental?"
Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

Now here's the thing, if I own it then why am I not allowed to backup my game discs, load an alternative OS and hack away to my heart's content and share what I have done? If the device is mine then it's none of Sony's business what hackery I use to achieve these ends.

But since they don't want to let anyone do these things anymore then they must be selling a service and not a product, thus they can refund the cost of the console.

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RE[3]: Ownership or Rental?
by nt_jerkface on Thu 9th Sep 2010 01:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Ownership or Rental?"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Owning doesn't mean that it comes with any functionality you desire.

The vast majority of console owners don't care about backups. Take care of your games and in the random chance you break one it will probably be $20 used by that point. Oh heavens twenty dollars.

The Blu-ray disc has a hard polymer coating that makes it scratch resistant so a lot of these arguments are really from the late 90's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jEbZt6AIQ&feature=player_embedded#...

Allowing backups just allows piracy. If the PS3 doesn't come with functionality that you desire then don't buy one. Stick with pc gaming where backups are easy and piracy is rampant.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-p...

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