Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Oct 2010 21:02 UTC
Mac OS X It's one of those days again. A supposed security threat appears, and the internet loses its collective brain and starts panicking like Alpha and Omega's kingdom come. This time around, it's a trojan horse thing (it's a trojan, worm, and root kit all in one, though) that targets Mac OS X and Windows. As it turns out, though, the threat this thing poses is not very large (at this point in time).
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Disabling plugin X is not an option
by Matzon on Thu 28th Oct 2010 05:35 UTC
Matzon
Member since:
2005-07-06

Whenever people say that you should just turn of plugin X I almost throw a hissy fit.

Disabling X does not solve the greater issue.

Next you'll be asing me to not use the browser at all? - they have almost weekly 0-day exploits.

Oh, and my OS is insecure too? - best pull the plug entirely then.

We use Flash, Java, Unity, Plugin X for a reason. It provides features that browsers do not allow.

In the case of Java, you can scream all you want, but html/5 + webgl + tracemonkey is simply not good enough for running stuff like minecraft - or other OpenGL based Java games (see: http://lwjgl.org).
Furthermore, for instance in Denmark, then national ID scheme is using a Java component to securely log in on all sites.
You may argue that it should have been done in another way, and I would probably agree. But the fact remains that to use the government provided national ID, you MUST have Java installed and enabled for your browser.

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

In the case of Java, you can scream all you want, but html/5 + webgl + tracemonkey is simply not good enough for running stuff like minecraft - or other OpenGL based Java games


But it is good enough for running Quake II, ne? http://www.osnews.com/story/23097/Quake_II_Ported_to_HTML5

Of course, this technology isn’t shipping in non-beta builds of browsers at the moment, but to think outright that HTML5+WebGL won't _ever_ compete is silly. Give it another two years and we’ll be seeing very serious 3D games being released directly on the web. And why not? It’s still OpenGL, it’s still 3D, and no installer is needed (bar an up to date browser).

There’s a ton of game websites out there like miniclip, who have been reliant on Flash and Java for a decade and they are going to have to face an upheaval in their market where they will have to embrace JavaScript games in order to expand onto the iPad / iPhone and other mobile devices. What company, in this instance, would choose death over new technology, bar ignorance?

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Matzon Member since:
2005-07-06

I agree that eventually WebGL will replace a lot of this, however do remember, that we were doing OpenGL in applets in 2006 using Java.

4 years later and HTML is still not there.

I would prefer that everything was open like html and javascript - but the fact of the matter is that plugins provide content producers with means for doing stuff that wouldn't otherwise be possible.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

There’s a ton of game websites out there like miniclip, who have been reliant on Flash and Java for a decade and they are going to have to face an upheaval in their market where they will have to embrace JavaScript games in order to expand onto the iPad / iPhone and other mobile devices. What company, in this instance, would choose death over new technology, bar ignorance?

No, in my opinion they wouldn't embrace JS. In the worst case the number of browser games is simply going to shrink.

The problem is that Javascript and HTML5 are ugly technologies. Most creative people want to deal with a simple, high-level language, which works in the same way in all supported browsers, and has a good official IDE. It's precisely what Flash offers, and no replacement exists among web standards I think..

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

where they will have to embrace JavaScript games in order to expand onto the iPad / iPhone and other mobile devices. What company, in this instance, would choose death over new technology, bar ignorance?


Why would choosing Flash be death?

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