Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 20:03 UTC
Internet & Networking Every now and then, you get these news item that make you feel like something's wrong. The item doesn't make sense, shouldn't be possible, and yet it is. Despite Microsoft's newfound commitment to web standards, it's still incredibly unnerving to see things like this - the W3C's first HTML5 compliance test, in which Internet Explorer 9 Platform Preview 6 outdoes all other browsers.
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RE[3]: HTML5
by nt_jerkface on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 01:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: HTML5"
nt_jerkface
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2009-08-26

HTML 5 and CSS 3.0 will deliver what I been wanting to do for a long time and will let me create cleaner markup and a better separation between the semantic elements and its styling.

I only wish it came sooner.


Yea but thanks to XP/IE8 holdouts it makes sense for commercial sites to stick with HTML 4. We're just now getting to the point where mainstream websites can drop IE6 support.

HTML5 is going to be mostly a toy technology for the next few years.

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RE[4]: HTML5
by kaiwai on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 05:46 in reply to "RE[3]: HTML5"
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2005-07-06

I hardly call them Windows XP hold outs given that there are netbooks still being sold today through retail channels that still have Windows XP pre-installed. Until Microsoft/OEM"s do something about this massive backlog of Windows XP machines being sold you're going to see the scourge of Windows XP and Internet Explorer 8 hang around for quite some time.

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RE[5]: HTML5
by nt_jerkface on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 08:11 in reply to "RE[4]: HTML5"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I hardly call them Windows XP hold outs given that there are netbooks still being sold today through retail channels that still have Windows XP pre-installed.

I would since the majority bought their machines before Vista.


Until Microsoft/OEM"s do something about this massive backlog of Windows XP machines being sold you're going to see the scourge of Windows XP and Internet Explorer 8 hang around for quite some time.

MS should offer a flat $50 upgrade fee.

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RE[4]: HTML5
by lemur2 on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 06:07 in reply to "RE[3]: HTML5"
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2007-02-17

"HTML 5 and CSS 3.0 will deliver what I been wanting to do for a long time and will let me create cleaner markup and a better separation between the semantic elements and its styling. I only wish it came sooner.
Yea but thanks to XP/IE8 holdouts it makes sense for commercial sites to stick with HTML 4. We're just now getting to the point where mainstream websites can drop IE6 support. HTML5 is going to be mostly a toy technology for the next few years. "

Well, according to recent statistics, all versions of IE fell below 50%.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/internet_explorer_drops_below_...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/17106/take_that_microsoft_ie_drops_b...

XP has 60% of the market, and if a person is using IE then it is most probable that the machine is running Windows. So probably only 50% of the users on XP also are using IE now ... so 30% altogether are using IE on XP right now.

When IE9 comes in, it is such an improvement that a good percentage of Vista and Win 7 users will upgrade to it. This leaves the previously-identified 30% of users as the only group who might still be staying with IE6/IE7/IE8. 70% of users will be able to render HTML5.

OK, so that is a small enough market that some websites might begin to ignore it. Certainly there were websites which ignored compliant browsers (Firefox+Chrome) when they only had 30% of the market.

So if the web starts to shift to HTML5, those 30% IE6/IE7/IE8 users left out will be told that they can still see HTML5 pages if they: (a) move to Firefox, or (b) move to Google Chrome, or (c) install a plugin for Gogle Chrome Frame.

Option (c) might even be desirable for users who want to stay with IE6.

So it might be possible to change the rich web content away from HTML4 over to HTML5 despite the older-Windows holdouts.

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RE[5]: HTML5
by nt_jerkface on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 08:20 in reply to "RE[4]: HTML5"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


OK, so that is a small enough market that some websites might begin to ignore it. Certainly there were websites which ignored compliant browsers (Firefox+Chrome) when they only had 30% of the market.

It's not even close for commercial sites to ignore. Jimsjerky.com is not going to turn away 30% of visitors just to have a flashy website.


So it might be possible to change the rich web content away from HTML4 over to HTML5 despite the older-Windows holdouts.


Most websites will just use HTML4 + Flash for multimedia.

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