Linked by snydeq on Fri 17th Dec 2010 22:32 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu InfoWorld's Savio Rodrigues sees 2010 as a watershed year for Ubuntu, one that could herald meaningful enterprise interest in the OS, thanks to a rising tide of developers - and deployment servers - adopting the OS. "As with many recent trends in the IT industry, developers become ambassadors for products they enjoy using and have quickly become an early indicator for enterprise technology usage in the future. In a seemingly perfect storm, Ubuntu is benefiting from strong developer usage, and the fact that developers are increasingly selecting Amazon's EC2 cloud platform bodes well for continued Ubuntu success on EC2," Rodrigues writes, noting that Ubuntu has surpassed Red Hat usage on deployment servers as well. "As that occurs, IT decision makers will need to consider or reconsider Ubuntu for usage within the enterprise. Rest assured that Red Hat won't sit idly by during these discussions."
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RE[6]: Comment by flanque
by lucas_maximus on Sat 18th Dec 2010 17:33 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by flanque"
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Entranched world view? No evidence? WTF? Did you read nothing? And evidence of what? Numbers? The stats are already there. Take a look at Ukraine, Denmark etc. in regard to the mobile OS area.

Whether it is or not doesn't really matter in the context of the article.

Your original assertion was that

On the desktop Linux' main area is Europe (at least when considering 1st and 2nd world countries). The situation in USA may be very different.

And then the desktop stats are linked. You ignore this and carry on chatting about mobile then you say this.

They can at best represent a trend, and that trend is damn clear.

And the trends show that for the desktop, Windows 7 usage is increasing, Windows XP & Vista are decreasing, MacOSX is staying the same and Linux is hasn't moved from the bottom.

Edited 2010-12-18 17:35 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by flanque
by dylansmrjones on Sat 18th Dec 2010 17:46 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by flanque"
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You are twisting my words around and using them with the opposite meaning.

My claim was that Linux on the Desktop was a reality several years. This is merely a matter of technological level and has NOTHING to do with Market Share which will always be near-zero because Linux is free and gratis. My second claim was that Europe was the main area for GNU/Linux desktop. I didn't claim GNU/Linux was larger than Windows in Europe. Just that Europe was an area where GNU/Linux was doing well. And it is. Flawed statistics does not disprove that, no matter how much you try.

Besides that my claims have nothing to do with market share or usage share per se. But rather with usability.

Linux conquered the desktop back in 2003/04 AFAICT.

EDIT: If you read the post you'll see that Westlake asked me to take a look at the mobile area. I did that. I did not switch context. Westlake did. I just answered questions in regard to the mobile are. Besides that the mobile area is very much relevant for the desktop and for the distributed systems running on the net (e.g. the cloud).

Edited 2010-12-18 17:48 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by flanque
by AmigaRobbo on Sat 18th Dec 2010 17:53 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by flanque"
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"Market Share which will always be near-zero because Linux is free and gratis"

Sorry, could you run that one past me again?

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v RE[8]: Comment by flanque
by lucas_maximus on Sat 18th Dec 2010 18:24 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by flanque"
RE[8]: Comment by flanque
by bassbeast on Mon 20th Dec 2010 13:25 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by flanque"
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You said Linux was doing good in Europe, you did NOT say "Linux is doing good in Europe*" (*from a technological and NOT an adoption standpoint). He then produced figures, and you start screaming shill and changing the point of conversation. And now stats don't matter? How are you SUPPOSED to count Linux then, by using pixie dust?

The ONLY place Linux has gained ANY share at all is Droid, which is just as locked down and GUI centric as any Windows desktop. My router runs Linux too, it don't really help "Linux adoption" on the desktop now, does it? Using Linux in embedded devices is a tradition that goes back aways thanks to the ability to "TiVo" it, which is why Droid devices are using GPL V2. Again a locked down embedded OS is pretty much the same across the board and for the purpose of this discussion, which was Ubuntu VS Windows, is neither here nor there.

And while I can't speak for Europe i CAN speak for the southern US, and here you will not find a SINGLE shop, not big, not small, selling Linux, why? Are we getting paid by a big MSFT money truck? I wish! It is that NOBODY WANTS IT...full stop. Best Buy, Staples, Walmart, the smaller stores like mine, we have ALL tried selling it, and were looking at on average 70-80% returns compared to 3-5% for Windows. Now since you have to sell returns as used by law that VERY quickly made Linux MORE expensive than Windows. The reason for returns? Their apps don't work, their PMPs won't interface, their printers won't print, and of course the always lovely "update broke my stuff" fun.

So if you find Linux the most wonderful thing since sliced bread, hey I'm happy for you. But the numbers do NOT show that others agree. Show us a SINGLE statistic, anywhere, that shows Linux has made more than a single percentage gain ON THE DESKTOP, not mobile, not embedded, and I'll be happy to declare you the winnar!

Oh and final food for thought, just to highlight why retailers don't like your OS...ever look at those Ubuntu netbooks by Dell...closely? Ever notice anything...funny...about them? Like how Dell has to RUN THEIR OWN REPOS and disable the Canonical ones? why is that? I'll tell you, it is because Canonical does such lousy QA that even with their teeny tiny amount of OEM machines to support you can NOT use Canonical repos without breaking the sound and networking drivers! Whee! what fun for the customer! And since most of us don't want to have to set up our own blooming servers and pay developers to support an OS which doesn't make us any money anyway, we'll just add that to the checklist of why we don't sell no Linux round here.

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RE[7]: Comment by flanque
by shotsman on Sun 19th Dec 2010 21:14 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by flanque"
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none of the Fourty of so Linux or Solaris systems I work on would figure in those stats.
They run all the external facing sites of a Billion $ enterprise. However they are all receiving web hits and are not only firewalled but load balanced off a direct connection to the internet.

This is pretty common in Enterprise businesses. We run SAP, Oracle, Websphere App Server etc all on our servers. The OS of choice was Solaris but since Oracle change the rules of the game, we are agressively moving to RHEL.
SAP/R3 would be moving to Linux if it weren't for SAP licensing.
This is not some startup but a Billion $ Business.
Windows in the Enterprise? not in this one thank you very much.
W7 is being de-emphasised on many desktop as well. Run what you want as long as it does the job. Linux, XP or OS/X it don't matter.

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