Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st Feb 2011 22:44 UTC, submitted by LouisBarman
Google The web is already aflame with Google's accusation that Bing is stealing its search results. Google created code to manually rank certain bogus search terms, and ten created mock web pages as the top search results for these bogus terms. It turned out that Bing would list the exact same mock web pages as its top search result for these bogus terms. Google is unhappy with it, but in all honesty - since when is it wrong to copy in the computer business?
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RE: Comment by durango99
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 1st Feb 2011 23:30 UTC in reply to "Comment by durango99"
Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

No it isn't. It's more like following your neighbour to see where he buys his gas.

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RE[2]: Comment by durango99
by Kroc on Wed 2nd Feb 2011 10:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by durango99"
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2005-11-10

No, it's more like running a business that tells people where the cheapest gas is, and instead of going out and finding the cheapest gas, you just follow your competitor around.

It works, but you are wholly dependent on your competitor to serve your own customers. That is no good position to be in, esp. for Bing.

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RE[3]: Comment by durango99
by vaette on Wed 2nd Feb 2011 11:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by durango99"
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2008-08-09

On the other hand using click data as a data source for the search engine results only makes sense. Everything I have heard about this suggests that click data (with referrer and relevant form contents) from IE and the Bing Bar is exactly how this is done). The distinction is fine, but the way that works Microsoft would have to explicitly exclude click data results from google.com to avoid this problem, rather than it being a question of them explicitly mining precisely Google.

Also I find it a bit sensationalist to suggest that this is a huge problem for Bing, it is not like they base their results entirely off Google. It could be construed as bad business practice, but really, using the toolbar to mine data on the form "when a user searches for x he/she is likely to accept the url y as an answer" is not exactly stealing Googles data or algorithms, it is really mining what users are doing.

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RE[2]: Comment by durango99
by leonalpha on Wed 2nd Feb 2011 17:55 in reply to "RE: Comment by durango99"
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2011-02-02

No Thom, that's not how it is. It's like your neighbor spending 10 years to build a system that allows people to find where the cheapest gas. The system works exceptionally well and your neighbor charges a fee for using it.

Then you come along and ask everyone who uses your neighbor's system to tell you where the cheapest gas is. And then, you charge a fee to redistribute your neighbor's results. Do you seriously not see anything wrong with this?

Microsft, and any other company, can copy someone else's work by studying it, then creating their own. This is what Apple, Google, and everybody else in the industry does. However, that is not what Bing is doing.

Ponder the following:

On Google

- Thom: Hi Google, can you please tell me where the cheapest gas is?

- Google: Sure, hang on... [hours go by, then Google comes back... sweaty, tired, sore, short of breath] Here you go sir, I finally figured out where the cheapest gas is. It took a lot of work, but here it is. That'll be 50 bucks.


Now on Bing

- Leon: Hi Bing, can you please tell me where the cheapest gas is?

- Bing: Sure, hang on...

[Bing searches and finds nothing - Oh Crap! then sees Thom passing by...]

- Bing to Thom [whispers]: psst, Hey yo, Thom!!! Did Google just tell you where the cheapest gas is?

- Thom: Yes, it's on 123 Main Street in Thom City, Netherlands. I'm on my way there now.

- Bing: Oh cool. Aight man, peace!

Bing to Leon: Leon, the cheapest gas is on 123 Main Street in Thom City, Netherlands. That'll be 50 bucks!
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If you believe that scenario is perfectly fine, then I have nothing else to say.

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