Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Mar 2011 19:31 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Gnome I have to admit I've been struggling with this one for a while, most importantly because I haven't used GNOME 3 yet; I'm setting up my own little company right now, so time's a little short. As such, all I can do here is cover the arguments given - which, in my book, have both their strong as well as their weak points. Yes, GNOME 3 will not have buttons for minimising or maximising windows.
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Because we can
by vtolkov on Mon 7th Mar 2011 20:12 UTC
vtolkov
Member since:
2006-07-26

This is an example of Microsoft style of innovation, where entire UI is messed up to solve some imaginary problems of imaginary customers. Who was complaining about these buttons? At least one? Really? It it the biggest customer's issue when using gnome? I understand, that they are trying to do something new, but average user do not want something new in every version. He wants familiar and convenient interface, where everything works. But fixing bugs and thinking about file-copy scenarios is borring. People want "activities".

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RE: Because we can
by lucas_maximus on Mon 7th Mar 2011 20:32 in reply to "Because we can"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

This is an example of Microsoft style of innovation, where entire UI is messed up to solve some imaginary problems of imaginary customers. Who was complaining about these buttons? At least one? Really? It it the biggest customer's issue when using gnome?


Firstly when was this about Microsoft ... and have you used Windows 7, lots nicer to use than XP and VISTA ... however this is not what the article is about.

It not about customers complaining, it about usability studies and watching how people interact with the system ... for example "heat maps" are used frequently by for Websites ... e.g.

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/reading_pattern.html

It about watching how people use the system and make it easier for them to users e.g. Microsoft obviously watched how people interacted with Windows and made the UI changes in 7 that are more than aestectics. It implemented some features (aero snap) that I didn't know that I wanted.

Whether for Gnome 3 they did this is another thing.

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RE[2]: Because we can
by Icaria on Tue 8th Mar 2011 04:38 in reply to "RE: Because we can"
Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

have you used Windows 7, lots nicer to use than XP
Hardly.

and VISTA
Win7 is Vista! God damn, people are impressionable. MS re-jig a handful of UI elements, change the name and suddenly the most maligned OS since ME becomes the most praised.

It not about customers complaining, it about usability studies and watching how people interact with the system
Which is as fundamentally a retarded approach as Gnome 3's insular and carved-in-stone vision. You don't let the computer illiterate design your UI any more than you force all users into one particular workflow.

It implemented some features (aero snap) that I didn't know that I wanted.
Snap is an abomination, up there with auto-hiding the taskbar. You don't expose functionality (and functionality that's been there for over a decade, FTR) by making the desktop hyper-sensitive. Most people who had a use for that rudimentary tiling already knew about it, snap just ensures that your grandparents can't avoid stumbling upon it, despite having no use for it and it only serving to disorient them.

A far saner and more flexible approach would have been to simply augment move & resize behaviour so that windows implicitly conform to a grid, rather than moving & resizing windows pixel-by-pixel. That's something that would expose itself unobtrusively, actually make manual window management useful and provide far more options to power users than just splitting the screen 50/50.

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RE: Because we can
by BluenoseJake on Mon 7th Mar 2011 21:02 in reply to "Because we can"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Microsoft? Really? The desktop design of Windows hasn't really changed since Win95. All the elements are still there, taskbar, start menu, min/max/close buttons, icons on the desktop, you can even re-enable the quicklaunch bar if you want. MS is far more conservative than KDE, Gnome, or OS X.

This change for Gnome3 is much bigger than any change MS has ever made, but feel free to continue spreading falsehoods.

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RE[2]: Because we can
by vtolkov on Mon 7th Mar 2011 21:26 in reply to "RE: Because we can"
vtolkov Member since:
2006-07-26

This change for Gnome3 is much bigger than any change MS has ever made, but feel free to continue spreading falsehoods.

Exactly. And what the changes are for? I've tried to use Gnome, there are multiple pain points all over, as it common for almost every open-source product. File manager needs a lot of improvements, it is almost unusable. Almost all basic scenarios with simple file operations are poor thought, all menu configuration, taskbar widgets, everything needs much more attention, fixes and improvements. But minimise-maximise buttons are so trivial thing, they used to work fine.

It is just again, common sense lost to creativity rush.

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RE: Because we can
by Zifre on Mon 7th Mar 2011 21:14 in reply to "Because we can"
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

This is an example of Microsoft style of innovation, where entire UI is messed up to solve some imaginary problems of imaginary customers. Who was complaining about these buttons? At least one? Really? It it the biggest customer's issue when using gnome? I understand, that they are trying to do something new, but average user do not want something new in every version. He wants familiar and convenient interface, where everything works. But fixing bugs and thinking about file-copy scenarios is borring. People want "activities".

I don't entirely agree with you, but that sounds a lot more like Apple than Microsoft. ;)

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RE: Because we can
by Lennie on Tue 8th Mar 2011 00:43 in reply to "Because we can"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

At this point I can only think of one reason to change mostly working interfaces: touch devices.

I still want to see one interface which works good(enough) with touchdevices and with keyboard/mouse.

I haven't seen it yet (not been looking for it either)

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