Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st Mar 2011 22:23 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu has released the first beta for Ubuntu 11.04. This si the first release where Unity is the default desktop environment. All the official Ubuntu derivatives have also bee beta'd.
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Does it work?
by Alfman on Thu 31st Mar 2011 22:41 UTC
Alfman
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2011-01-28

I'm a big fan of ubuntu in general, however after numerous incompatibilities with 10.4 on laptops and graphics driver issues with 10.10 after upgrading, I'm more that a little worried about ubuntu's testing process. I hope 11.4 is great, but I won't be be among the first adopters this time.

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RE: Does it work?
by joekiser on Fri 1st Apr 2011 00:04 in reply to "Does it work?"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

I don't know that this is Ubuntu's fault. At least for Intel, a lot of the graphics driver is now in the kernel, and it seems that every other update is broken. Since different distros go "gold" with different combinations of XOrg/Mesa/xf86-video-intel/kernel snapshots, it may seem as though one distro is more mature than another. In reality, they just ship whatever was most recent at the time, and it happens to have been bad timing. Use a rolling-release distro that always pulls in the latest software, and watch how one update can totally mess up the graphics stack, and next week's update runs as good as Windows.

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RE[2]: Does it work?
by Alfman on Fri 1st Apr 2011 02:34 in reply to "RE: Does it work?"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

"I don't know that this is Ubuntu's fault...it may seem as though one distro is more mature than another. In reality, they just ship whatever was most recent at the time, and it happens to have been bad timing."

I agree, maybe the problems stem from upstream, however I bricked two Ubuntu systems by hitting the "upgrade" button, and now I'm afraid to do it any more.


I've installed Debian many times, and I think Ubuntu has done a great job making the whole process more user friendly. It's just that the last few releases have been of worse stability/quality than predecessors - to the point where I'd recommend avoiding the upgrade.

They should test compatibility more thoroughly before official releases and if necessary roll back pieces which are broken. It's not like Fedora, who's users expect the bleeding edge.

Edit: This is a beta...so I guess instead of complaining, I should be installing it to report problems *before* the official release.

Edited 2011-04-01 02:41 UTC

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RE[2]: Does it work?
by TrendKill on Fri 1st Apr 2011 12:34 in reply to "RE: Does it work?"
TrendKill Member since:
2006-01-21

... and next week's update runs as good as Windows.


You need to higher your expectations. ;)

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RE[2]: Does it work?
by nt_jerkface on Fri 1st Apr 2011 16:22 in reply to "RE: Does it work?"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

How is it not Ubuntu's fault? They have plenty of employees that should be testing for regressions.

A while back they broke Dell netbooks that came pre-installed with Ubuntu. How is that excusable?

Something is very wrong at Canonical. They have a massive amount of employees and yet I see no reason to believe they are any better for desktop users than some of the smaller 1-3 man distros.

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RE: Does it work?
by NaX_sa on Fri 1st Apr 2011 07:26 in reply to "Does it work?"
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2011-02-11

I moved away from Ubuntu a year ago after multiple issues including an upgrade causing my system to commit suicide.

I am now on Arch a rolling release system were you always get the latest software and I am have had almost no instability or incompatibility issues, and I am very happy. If a rolling reason Distro like Arch can get it right what is Ubuntu doing wrong?

When PCBSD 9 comes out I plan on giving that a shot, but I am done with Ubuntu and all of its children.

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RE[2]: Does it work?
by Jondice on Fri 1st Apr 2011 23:18 in reply to "RE: Does it work?"
Jondice Member since:
2006-09-20

My wife just had a problem with her ubuntu 10.10 system when she tried to do a partial upgrade; looks like I'll be doing a system restore in some form this evening. Or I may as well try the beta. I'd like to try another distro; I used to use Suse but I feel it breaks even more often, and same for Fedora.

OpenSolaris is great (I know it isn't linux), of course there are few updates and fewer than ever now obviously.

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RE: Does it work?
by another_sam on Sat 2nd Apr 2011 14:07 in reply to "Does it work?"
another_sam Member since:
2009-08-19

Check for issues with your system
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta#Known%20issues

This morning I checked and did not find issues with mine, so I installed, and it works.

Unity is slow showing all installed applications and Firefox has crashed 1 time so far, on opening a PDF.

Also I miss not being able to switch off desktop effects. The tab is gone at "Appearance".

All the rest is OK. New shiny kernel, and the concepts introduced by Unity (when comparing with Gnome 2, at least).

...omg I just discovered tiling :_)

Edited 2011-04-02 14:08 UTC

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