Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Apr 2011 10:20 UTC
Internet & Networking You know all that talk about net neutrality in the US? How for instance Verizon and Google want net neutrality to apply only to something they call the 'wired' internet, which is apparently somehow different from the 'mobile' internet? Well, while you Americans are only talking about it, us Dutch are once again way ahead of the curve: the largest of the three main carriers has announced its intention to start charging extra for services like VoIP, instant messaging, Facebook, and so on, with the other two carriers contemplating similar moves. The dark future of the web, right here in my glorified swamp.
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guilhermefdc
Member since:
2011-02-17

You see, I live in Brazil. Brazil has basically no laws on internet access, network regulation and so on - like most other countries out there. The only bill pending votation right now makes the DMCA look like a rather nice response to actual theft (not piracy, which makes copies - real theft). Thankfully, our current president has demonstrated signs that she'll most likely veto it...

Nevertheless, our carriers here are pretty much free to do whatever the hell they want - one of them (TIM, a subsidiary of the homonimous italian carrier) has charged for YouTube and video access in the past, much like what you describe, Thom. (It failed miserably - basically everyone found a way to access it without paying extra for the service).

My current carrier (Vivo), which is a subsidiary of Telefónica (kind of our O2), not only does not forbid VOIP services, but encourages users to tether their devices, to use our connection however we want. It even talks about it on its corporate blog.
The reason for that? Obviously, I don't know, but I speculate that it helps that 1/4 of their revenue and 1/3 of their profit comes from data plans. Much like AT&T, there are no unlimited plans - if we surpass our bandwidth tier, we can either choose to falldown to EDGE-like speed or to pay per MB.

IMHO, that is probably the best move for any given carrier - all of them obviously care about profitability, but should also care about user satisfaction, finding ways to unite rather than separate those things (also getting free propaganda doing so, which is what I've just done for Vivo and Telefónica).

PS: sorry for my rather poor/complicated english ;)

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Dude, your English is fine ;) . No need to apologise for something you do better than some native speakers I know.

In all honesty, I'm not entirely sure what a good way to go would be. I dread the day my ISP starts charging extra for something like Xbox Live, which I use almost on a daily basis. XBL is a great service, and definitely worth the 60E a year I pay for it. However, the idea that my ISP might charge like an additional 10E per month... That doesn't make me happy. I'd probably just pay up though, because without my weekly dose of L4D/L4D2, I wouldn't survive. One of my best friends and I are heavy co-op players in many games, and I use XBL more regularly, and for longer, than I have ever used my digital HD TV subscription.

I just think that per-service charges are idiotic, in the same sense that I don't pay more per liter of water in my toilet than for a liter of water in my shower. I would say a per-MB or per-GB charge might make sense, but even that is very debatable - as internet speeds go ever up, the price of a single MB or GB ought to go down. However, we all know it won't.

So, tough all around.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

In all honesty, I'm not entirely sure what a good way to go would be. I dread the day my ISP starts charging extra for something like Xbox Live, which I use almost on a daily basis. XBL is a great service, and definitely worth the 60E a year I pay for it. However, the idea that my ISP might charge like an additional 10E per month... That doesn't make me happy. I'd probably just pay up though, because without my weekly dose of L4D/L4D2, I wouldn't survive. One of my best friends and I are heavy co-op players in many games, and I use XBL more regularly, and for longer, than I have ever used my digital HD TV subscription.


Listen to yourself!

How weak have we become... when we cannot live our daily lives without paying for entertainment to "survive".

I'll tell you what I would do, without skipping a beat: boycott.

Of course, I've already trained myself for the last 6 or so years to not rely on mobile communications - it started when I needed to save money and the cell phone was a "luxury" - then it became a life choice when i realized the liberation of not having one with me at all times.

The internet is next - I've become much dependent on it, but the minute I have to start paying a premium to access certain websites that are otherwise free, that's the minute I 1) stop visiting them and/or 2) ditch my ISP. Hell, I'd go back to dialup if I had to. Basic access to information is all I want.

Go ahead carriers, make me prove I'm not lying.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No need to worry about your English. Its quite good. If it were submitted as an essay in university it would get marked up in a few places, but *every* paper submitted by a native English speaker would as well.

I'm still proud of the paper I submitted which received a negative 66.

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Dryhte Member since:
2008-02-05

lol ;)

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