Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Apr 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by sjvn
SuSE, openSUSE Attachmate now owns Novell and therefore, by extension, also owns SUSE and openSUSE. With Oracle currently doing everything in its power to thoroughly destroy what's left of Sun's open source commitments, scepticism abound about the future of SUSE, and more specifically of openSUSE. Attachmate's CEO has answered some questions about the future of SUSE and openSUSE, and as far as words go, it's looking good.
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RE: As far as words go....
by Elv13 on Sat 30th Apr 2011 00:03 UTC in reply to "As far as words go...."
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SUSE is the profitable part, Novell is the high risk business. Netware, even if it still considered the best Unix by some IT pools, is dead. eDirectory lost to MSAD, the network part is unseen in recent serveur room. Whats left? Novell tried to save itself by becomming a new RedHat, but failed to deliver in most case and the "Open" part of SUSE came too late (SuSE 10.2 -> OpenSUSE 10.2). The way they handled locals partners to is a failure too (welcome to our big family! We promise you contract if you help us push our product deeper in your city, now, eat our dusts). Just like with eDirectory, it seem that of their "open" project are missing some bits of code to make them work fine on other Linux (Mono with the codecs, Suse studio, built system and others).

Overall, I hope a SUSE separated from Novell with enough financial backing/trust from the parent company is a good thing to get rid of the old mentality, even if SuSE never had a clean record in the first place.

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RE[2]: As far as words go....
by BluenoseJake on Sat 30th Apr 2011 03:45 in reply to "RE: As far as words go...."
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Netware is not Unix, not by a long shot.

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RE[2]: As far as words go....
by gfolkert on Sat 30th Apr 2011 14:16 in reply to "RE: As far as words go...."
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Here is a quote I fully believe and completely backup:

Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup

I'm an NCE from the 2.x through 5.x years... Bindery was very good... NetWare v4.0 and 4.01 were complete and utter shiitake. I went through upgrades and nobody really understood a "directory service" about 4.10 they got it right. 4.11 was superior and it just went on from there. NetWare was by far the best File and Print services system at the time and GroupWise v5.5 turned out to be a far better e-mail system than Exchange ever was (and still it IMO... Exchange sucks in comparison). I just weep at the MSAD success, while NDS/eDir just laid down and fell over.

Its really STILL is a much better Directory Service, just that nobody uses it for anything more than an LDAP server on steroids now.

Oh well. lets move on. MSAD is shit, it has so many limitations "Per Forest" and "Per Tree" its not even funny. Collisions can and do still happen all the time. The replication between servers is shit (compared to eDir's method) and MSAD's replication is crap compared to slapd and slurpd.

Ok, so enough of MSAD being a crap... YUM, I love its taste... as long as I can wash it down with significant amounts of Dark Rum.

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RE[3]: As far as words go....
by Sabon on Sat 30th Apr 2011 16:59 in reply to "RE[2]: As far as words go...."
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gfolkert - You are 100% correct.

I've had to use both heavily and MSs directory services are not anywhere near as good as Novells.

The problem with Novell is that they always assumed that the best technology would win and that everyone would play fair.

MS _can't_ play fair. When you don't have as good of a product you can't play nice and expect to win. Especially when your product isn't _anywhere_ near as good as the other companies (and I agree about it still not being anywhere near as good).

So what does MS do?

Lots of things. FUD of course but MS also plays to CEOs egos. I've met too many CEOs that believe that being able to hang around someone rich makes them feel a lot better. It's like having a trophy wife. Hey, if that guy can marry _that_ totally hot woman then he must be really great even though he isn't good looking.

That's how the place where I work moved from GroupWise to Outlook/Exchange and are moving all services from Novell to MS (it's literally on the timeline for 8 years - plus some things are moving to Linux - but not SUSE - from Novell).

Outlook/Exchange is horrible compared to GroupWise. It needs more servers and even doubling them is not enough to have Outlook clients "live". Instead most companies don't have Outlook in "live" mode like GroupWise runs with no problems. Instead they (and we) use cache mode. Pretty pathetic.

Don't get me started about pushing applications (totally different subject than email). With Novell when you tell apps to push you can have them push right now, that second, to as many computers as you want (OK, there are limits). With MS the app doesn't install right away. Instead it install anywhere from four to 24 hours later. And that is "normal". How pathetic.

I could go on and on and on and on and on about how MS is nowhere near as good as Novell. Lemmings will be lemmings though. It's like the merchant who convinces the king that only true royalty can see the material. Since the king doesn't want to appear to be of bad (non royal blood) he lies and says he can see the material and the man sells the king the material.

People talk about Steve Jobs "distortion field". What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.

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Have you ever used AD? We are currently using Netware 6.5 and AD and I could tear my own eyes out every time I have to touch the Netware box. Console One is a joke It's slow, creaky, and barely usable. Takes minutes to load on my quadcore system. AD users and computers loads almost instantly, and has never crashed on me, can't say the same of Console One.

The Novell Client for Windows is one of the buggiest pieces of shit I have ever seen.

Zenworks is a monster that is clunky and virtually different every version. It tries to do too many things, and ends up doing none well.

SIPS sucks as a name service, it's nonstandard, and seems to cause problems every other day.

Compared to eDirectory, AD is stable fast, and the administrative tools are built right into the OS, It uses DNS as a name service, so it is easily administered. GPOs are really nice, useful way to push policies, so useful, that Netware even supports them, instead of doing it itself.

The world has moved on to better things, maybe you should learn the new technologies, instead of lamenting a crappy product from a company that forgot how to compete.

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RE[2]: As far as words go....
by ecruz on Sat 30th Apr 2011 18:42 in reply to "RE: As far as words go...."
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I am just wondering where you get your information from. Show me anywhere that mentions that Novell Suse Linux business is profitable?
You can go back as far as 2009 through today and Suse Linux has not made a profit for Novell. If you find something to the contrary, post it here as an update.

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RE[3]: As far as words go....
by Elv13 on Sat 30th Apr 2011 19:30 in reply to "RE[2]: As far as words go...."
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Ok, the numbers are not that nice, bu the whole division still do better than most of Novell offering

Novell do only 15% of its revenue from licences and 85% on services and subscriptions. The license money from the Linux division is non disclosed, probably bellow 1%, but the SUSE service account for 18% of the revenue, 54% if you take into account the whole ecosystem built on top of it (including NetWare virtualization solutions). But yea, look like the last time they were very profitable is when microsoft bought licences pack for HyperV, but it can be said for Novell too, not just the SUSE division.

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