Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd May 2011 22:27 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption "Nikkei.com on Monday reported that an online Sony gaming network has once again fallen victim to a cyberattack. This time, the attack may have exposed the credit card numbers of thousands of Sony customers from around the world. According to the report, over 12,700 customer credit card numbers were stolen during a breach of Sony’s online gaming network, Sony Online Entertainment. According to Nikkei.com, Sony discovered the possible attack on Sunday."
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Except debit card number is totally useless without the PIN code.

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daedliusswartz Member since:
2007-05-28

Does that apply to places like MacDonalds that allow Visa transactions under I think it's $100 without a PIN?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Visa is not a debit card. Visa is a credit card. You can't use bank cards in The Netherlands without the PIN number. It's how the system works.

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Except debit card number is totally useless without the PIN code.

Are you sure they didn't also get the PIN #? Or a bank account # linked to the debit card? Because that was the impression i got.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

In The Netherlands, your PIN number is a personal code. Not even your bank knows this number. In order to do ANY transaction , you need your bank card (swipe it) and then enter your PIN. The card alone is useless, the account number alone is useless, the PIN number alone is useless. You CANNOT perform ANY transaction without entering your PIN number. The system doesn't allow it. It's not optional.

For online transactions, Dutch banks have set up a system called iDEAL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDEAL

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Ultimatebadass Member since:
2006-01-08

Not entirely. You can you your Visa Electron (which is a debit card) on PSN in the same way you can use a Visa CC (it has that 3 digit security code printed on the back too).

In my bank all you have to do to use one like that is log on to your user panel and change "internet transaction" limit on that card to whatever you like.

Edited 2011-05-03 07:09 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Good thing a 4 digit PIN is so hard to break...

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Good thing a 4 digit PIN is so hard to break...


And then you have my PIN code. Great. Without my bank card, you can't get anywhere with just the code.

So, you'd have to steal or find my bank card, then use a brute force tool combined with some method of verifying each and every possible combination using my card, and then, when you hit the proper code, go to an ATM and get all my money. Online banking would be useless since the bank could easily check where the money was transferred to and find you that way.

Since it's common sense to call your bank straight away in case of theft or loss of your card, you have a very small window of opportunity.

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