Linked by David Adams on Tue 7th Jun 2011 17:54 UTC
Editorial Bob Cringeley makes a bold statement in a blog post responding to Apple's iCloud announcement: "Jobs is going to sacrifice the Macintosh in order to kill Windows." He says, "The incumbent platform today is Windows because it is in Windows machines that nearly all of our data and our ability to use that data have been trapped. But the Apple announcement changes all that. Suddenly the competition isn't about platforms at all, but about data, with that data being crunched on a variety of platforms through the use of cheap downloaded apps."
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RE[3]: huh????
by jtfolden on Tue 7th Jun 2011 21:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: huh????"
jtfolden
Member since:
2005-08-12

Hm... Samsung or any other Asian electronics conglomerate? Platforms? Check. Market segments? Check.


Really? ...because the Galaxy Tab and their music players are a huge success???? Oh, wait... they're sitting mostly unsold.... despite furiously trying to copy Apple. I can't even remember the last time I saw someone with a non-trivial Samsung device that wasn't a display of some sort (TV, monitor) or an old piece of stereo equipment.

Success? Yes.
Variety of platforms? Nope.
Domination in consumer electronics market? Not absolute, but largely yes.


Again, I ask... what other company is successful across the consumer spectrum: smartphones, music players, tablets, notebooks and desktops, cross-platform consumer software for previously mentioned devices, etc... Heck, even the latest AppleTV seems to have finally hit its target.

Affordable? No sorry. Valuable and quality - that may be. But definitely not affordable.


Just as an example; Last I checked, the iPad was incredibly affordable. There's no truly comparable tablet available at that price and certainly none that are part of such a flourishing and inter-connected hardware/software ecosystem. I can't find anything comparable to a Mac mini with the same features at the same price point from a major manufacturer, either.

What other hardware maker can leverage a 'cloud' architecture to bring painless syncing to all their devices like Apple is now doing?

I'm not a fanboy (my phone is a Palm, for example) but no other company seems to really understand the consumer market the way Apple does right now... it took Apple to open up the tablet market.

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RE[4]: huh????
by Neolander on Tue 7th Jun 2011 21:34 in reply to "RE[3]: huh????"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

The iPad isn't exactly affordable. It may be cheaper than its competitors, granted, but all tablets are still incredibly expensive for what they're up to in practice. Except maybe Archos' ones, haven't had a look at them for some time...

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RE[5]: huh????
by MOS6510 on Tue 7th Jun 2011 21:49 in reply to "RE[4]: huh????"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

It's not affordable and yet Apple has problems keeping up with demand.

Hell, parents even buy iPads for their kids.

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RE[5]: huh????
by jtfolden on Tue 7th Jun 2011 22:16 in reply to "RE[4]: huh????"
jtfolden Member since:
2005-08-12

The iPad isn't exactly affordable. It may be cheaper than its competitors, granted, but all tablets are still incredibly expensive for what they're up to in practice. Except maybe Archos' ones, haven't had a look at them for some time...


...but I think we have to look at "affordable" in the context of the market the product is in, don't we?

Otherwise, it's a free-for-all and entirely subjective. What is affordable to you may not be affordable to me and vise versa.

In any case, when Apple is one of the cheapest in a segment, or has the greatest value per cost, it's a bit silly for others to suggest the price is an Apple specific issue or barrier to entry.

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RE[5]: huh????
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 8th Jun 2011 02:16 in reply to "RE[4]: huh????"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

The ViewSonic sounds affordable for what it is.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/07/viewsonic-announces-250-viewbook...

I'd totally buy one, if I had a use for a tablet...

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RE[4]: huh????
by unclefester on Wed 8th Jun 2011 08:07 in reply to "RE[3]: huh????"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

No one outside the USA cares less about Apple.

Go to any Australian phone retailer and you will see a large range of Samsung, HTC and Nokia products. However you won't see a single Apple product for sale in most shops.

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RE[5]: huh????
by jtfolden on Wed 8th Jun 2011 10:33 in reply to "RE[4]: huh????"
jtfolden Member since:
2005-08-12

No one outside the USA cares less about Apple.

Go to any Australian phone retailer and you will see a large range of Samsung, HTC and Nokia products. However you won't see a single Apple product for sale in most shops.


oh sure... no one cares in Australia. Oh wait...

Apple has numerous retail stores there.

On top of that, according to Quantcast, the oceania area of the world (including Australia and New Zealand) is second only to North America in market share owned by Apple and nearly double that of Europe.

Btw, I wasn't aware HTC and Nokia were selling huge quantities of tablets, music players, etc... anywhere in the world, let alone Australia... or maybe your post was both incorrect and irrelevant.

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RE[4]: huh????
by JAlexoid on Wed 8th Jun 2011 21:02 in reply to "RE[3]: huh????"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

You might have an issue with your memory. Certain Apple devices are affordable... But I was replying to your own commnnt:
[quote]affordable ecosystem for consumers[/quote]
That is where you are dead wrong. The ecosystem is not affordable. Because the Apple ecosystem has things as overpriced routers, overpriced H/W components and so on... And if you want the whole "ecosystem" you get to a point where your setup is too expensive(expensive is an antonym to affordable)

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