Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Jul 2011 20:58 UTC, submitted by fran
Linux It's strange. Microsoft has been patent trolling the heck out of the Linux kernel for a long time now, and is still using these patents against Android today in its protection money scheme. However, as LWN.net illustrates, Microsoft makes quite a few contributions to the Linux kernel. Shouldn't this invalidate their patent claims?
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RE[3]: say what
by Lennie on Mon 18th Jul 2011 00:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: say what"
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

Selfish ?:
1. Just as selfish as any contributor to any open source project. RedHat and Oracle don't want to keep their own patches in a separate kernel that takes a lot of work to keep porting it.

2. Microsoft has contributed a bunch of drivers. That is what this is. They are just as selfish as any hardware vendor in trying to get their drivers accepted.

3. Major contribution ? Not really, yes there are a lot of changes. But that doesn't mean it is a lot of code (it isn't very little code either).

They changed pretty much every single line of the patches as Microsoft submitted them at first.

Because the style of the code in Windows as very different from the style in the Linux-kernel.

A lot of changes needed to be made and they all are separate commits and thus counted as changed.

Just read this blog-post on the first attempt by Microsoft to get their code accepted:

http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/review-hv-patches.html

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RE[4]: say what
by lucas_maximus on Mon 18th Jul 2011 00:51 in reply to "RE[3]: say what"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Selfish ?:
1. Just as selfish as any contributor to any open source project. RedHat and Oracle don't want to keep their own patches in a separate kernel that takes a lot of work to keep porting it.

2. Microsoft has contributed a bunch of drivers. That is what this is. They are just as selfish as any hardware vendor in trying to get their drivers accepted.


What is your problem with the comments exactly ... You just supported what I had just said ???


3. Major contribution ? Not really, yes there are a lot of changes. But that doesn't mean it is a lot of code (it isn't very little code either).


I didn't comment on that at all ???

They changed pretty much every single line of the patches as Microsoft submitted them at first.

Because the style of the code in Windows as very different from the style in the Linux-kernel.

A lot of changes needed to be made and they all are separate commits and thus counted as changed.

Just read this blog-post on the first attempt by Microsoft to get their code accepted:

http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/review-hv-patches.html


There was one dev tasked with porting it ... probably had a learning curve to progress through. This is how things work, you build something get feedback and change accordingly ...

Development is an evolution process. You don't get stuff any where near right the first time.

Edited 2011-07-18 00:55 UTC

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RE[5]: say what
by Lennie on Mon 18th Jul 2011 07:39 in reply to "RE[4]: say what"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

You just supported what I had just said ???


Well, maybe my comment kinda sucked, but I wanted to let you folks see that the Microsoft code is drivers. Not features. With Redhad and Oracle atleast they contributed features.

Development is an evolution process. You don't get stuff any where near right the first time.


99% of this was style, this isn't about learning how to do it right. Othen than Microsoft just dumping their code out there and hoping it gets integrated.

Then when the Linux developers said no they had to give an other Micorosoft developer the task to change it all.

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