Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Aug 2011 22:27 UTC
Windows Ah yes, Windows Explorer. One of the oldest parts of Windows, and yet, it's far from perfect. It's hated less than, say, the Finder (but that's no achievement), but most geeks I know aren't particularly fond of it either. For Windows 8, Microsoft is going to make the biggest change ever to Explorer's interface: it's getting the ribbon treatment.
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RE: Comment by Luminair
by Odwalla on Tue 30th Aug 2011 00:41 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
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Nice strawman. You need to also cite the part(s) of the blog post where the author explains that the most used commands, as found by the study, don't currently exist on the command bar or menu bar. So, yes, one way to interpret the data is that the majority of users use the context menu. Another way to interpret the data is that the commands people use are only located in that menu. In that case moving those commands to a more noticeable area would provide benefit. Right-click menus are notoriously obscure elements for people to understand or find, especially novice users. Moving those commands front and center makes a lot of sense in that context.

As for the cries of "power users get the shaft" and "they're wasting screen real estate", blah blah blah. As with all Microsoft Ribbons this one can be minimized. Also, if you read the entire blog post you'll see that, all other things being equal, the Windows 8 Explorer actually allows for two more lines of data in list/detail view relative to Explorer in Win 7.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Tue 30th Aug 2011 02:20 in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
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Okay lets work through what I'm reading here.

Step 1: Microsoft says "telemetry data shows that only 10.9% [of commands] come from the Command bar"

Step 2: Microsoft changes the buttons on the bar nobody uses.

Step 3: .....

We're being dazzled with a wall of text and pictures. But they haven't re-run the experiment to show that their changes made a difference. The last thing they told me is that nobody uses the Command bar!

They can't start out presenting data and then end on faith, at least not without a punch in the nose. The same thing happened when they removed the "up" button, and to see how that war turned out, check the end of this same blog post. (it's back because they were dead fucking wrong)

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by Odwalla on Tue 30th Aug 2011 12:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
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I don't get the faux-entitled attitude of people like you. I really don't. Microsoft gathered data and interpreted it. Based on that they are addressing the poor usage of the command bar by replacing it with something that includes the most used Explorer commands. They are not removing the existing functionality of the right-click menu. They are not reducing the amount of information you can see in an Explorer window. They are enhancing the product in a single, targeted manner. They are actually being fairly open in announcing the change before the product ships. They could have just changed it and shipped without discussing it. This way is better, by far.

The next "experiment" you feel they should run and send you the results on is this....the sales of the product. It's only after Win 8 hits retail will Microsoft be able to truly tell if people like the changes or not. I'm sure there is limited focus group testing and there will be data gathered during the betas, but the sales #s of the product will be the ultimate gauge on whether or not Microsoft's work had merit.

If you absolutely don't want the new Explorer don't buy Win 8. If you want Win 8 but with an Explorer more like Win 7's then buy Win 8 but turn off or minimize the Ribbon and don't use it. If you want the ability to choose whether to use the Ribbon, context menu or keyboard shortcuts for Explorer commands then buy Win 8.

Microsoft has, in one blog post, given you all of the information you need to make one of the choices I listed above. Why you feel you are entitled to any more information then that is confusing to me.

Edited 2011-08-30 12:19 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by Spiron on Tue 30th Aug 2011 12:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
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Microsoft have identified that to use most commands people go into a right-click menu. But they also recognize that right-click menus can be awkward and uninformative to a non-power-user. So by putting the most used commands in a more visible place they can then get users to use them more.

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by BluenoseJake on Tue 30th Aug 2011 13:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
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They can't rerun the experiment until after Windows 8 is out. They got this data from people allowing them to monitor their usage patterns, and nobody is using Windows 8 yet, so there is no data.

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