Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Aug 2011 22:27 UTC
Windows Ah yes, Windows Explorer. One of the oldest parts of Windows, and yet, it's far from perfect. It's hated less than, say, the Finder (but that's no achievement), but most geeks I know aren't particularly fond of it either. For Windows 8, Microsoft is going to make the biggest change ever to Explorer's interface: it's getting the ribbon treatment.
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RE: LALALALA I can't hear you
by kaiwai on Tue 30th Aug 2011 10:18 UTC in reply to "LALALALA I can't hear you"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Microsoft, "The telemetry data here shows that 54.5% of commands are invoked using a right-click context menu, and another 32.2% are invoked using keyboard shortcuts (“Hotkey” above) while only 10.9% come from the Command bar, the most visible UI element in Explorer in Windows 7 and Vista."

And what improvements then does the right-click context menu have? It's like they ignored the most important telemetry data, and focus on the unused ribbon instead.


They have addressed it - they've realised that the features end users want are residing in the right click menu when they should be front and centre in an easy to access location rather than requiring the number of clicks today that is required. The conclusion, get these features in a place where you don't have to go through several layers of menus hence there is the ribbon. Improving the right menu - how? it is a friggin right click menu there is nothing you can do it with apart form re-arrange somethings and that is about it.

Edited 2011-08-30 10:19 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

They have addressed it - they've realised that the features end users want are residing in the right click menu when they should be front and centre in an easy to access location rather than requiring the number of clicks today that is required. The conclusion, get these features in a place where you don't have to go through several layers of menus hence there is the ribbon. Improving the right menu - how? it is a friggin right click menu there is nothing you can do it with apart form re-arrange somethings and that is about it.


Bingo.

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boblowski Member since:
2007-07-23

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but are you saying that the function of the ribbon is to give a visual representation of the options that were previously available in the contextual right-click menu?

In that case I begin to understand why I feel the ribbon is such an inefficient and cumbersome solution for a problem I never understood in the first place: why are the main menu's in so many Microsoft applications (semi) contextual?

For me the advantage of a classical text based menu is that it simply shows all possible actions. That an action is not available at the moment (greyed out) is very useful information for a user.

Again, I might misunderstand what you're saying.

The biggest advantage of the contextual right-click menu is that it directly shows what object the options relate to and that the mouse travel distance is kept to a minimum.

With the ribbon interface I'm wasting a lot of time with mouse movements. Which is made worse by the non-uniform presentation of the options. It feels a bit like a McDonald's menu to me, where they need a 6 meter wide menu board to present just 10~15 or so choices.

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Spiron Member since:
2011-03-08

You sir are a power-user and while there is nothing wrong with that in itself you are not the market for which this is aimed. Power-users will mostly continue to do what they do, be it right-click menu or hotkeys. This move is aimed at the majority of users who are non-power-users and will not find a command if it is not in front of their faces. It is also probably aimed at the tablet market where right click is mostly impossible and a menu system becomes to awkward to implement.

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steogede2 Member since:
2007-08-17

"Microsoft, "The telemetry data here shows that 54.5% of commands are invoked using a right-click context menu, and another 32.2% are invoked using keyboard shortcuts (“Hotkey” above) while only 10.9% come from the Command bar, the most visible UI element in Explorer in Windows 7 and Vista."

And what improvements then does the right-click context menu have? It's like they ignored the most important telemetry data, and focus on the unused ribbon instead.


They have addressed it - they've realised that the features end users want are residing in the right click menu when they should be front and centre in an easy to access location rather than requiring the number of clicks today that is required. The conclusion, get these features in a place where you don't have to go through several layers of menus hence there is the ribbon.
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No that is not what they found. They found that users most frequently access the features they need using the context menu. Users do this not because the toolbars and menus are insufficient. They do this because it is the most efficient route:
i.e. you select the files using the mouse and right click or you select the files with the cursor keys and press the context menu key.

The most commonly used features are already on the context sensitive toolbar - people don't use it because it is a long way from the files they just selected. What isn't on the toolbar is the more powerful, less frequently used features - this is where the ribbon improves things (especially for capable users). The OP was right when he says they should have concentrated on the context menu - to some extent. That said, it is probably less in need of improvement.

Improving the right menu - how? it is a friggin right click menu there is nothing you can do it with apart form re-arrange somethings and that is about it.


Really? You could say the same about the toolbar. Everything they have done to the toolbar/ribbon can be done to the context menu. Having watched the video, I think the new ribbon is great, but I for one hope that most of the new features make it to the context menu.

Edited 2011-08-30 12:42 UTC

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RE[2]: LALALALA I can't hear you
by renox on Tue 30th Aug 2011 13:00 in reply to "RE: LALALALA I can't hear you"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

>Improving the right menu - how? it is a friggin right click menu there is nothing you can do it with apart form re-arrange somethings and that is about it.

That's not true, you can improve the right click menu, for example by merging the **stupid** shift+right click menu in the right-click menu.

Note that maybe the removal of the shift+right click menu is already done since XP, I don't know.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I want circular right click menus, instead of rectangular. So the menu opens up around your mouse pointer giving you easy access to the option you want and space for an icon that describes the action. The ribbon takes up too much vertical space to be useful for many people such as myself.

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