Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Sep 2011 23:33 UTC
Legal Ah, so that's what Google's masterplan is regarding the defense of Android against the patent trolls. HTC has just launched a few more defensive patent lawsuits against Apple, and while that's by far no longer newsworthy, it is this one time. You see, HTC is suing Apple over 9 patents that have only very recently been transferred (namely, a week ago) from Google to HTC. The patents come from Palm, Motorola, and others. This means Google is giving away its patents to Android device makers. Nice of them.
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RE[4]: Shabby journalism
by Tony Swash on Thu 8th Sep 2011 17:49 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Shabby journalism"
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"In this case Apple is asserting patents relating to products they have made and which they claim their competitors are copying without permission. That's what patents are for.

Have many times, how many pictures, how many prior art, how much more proof do you apple fanboys need to get into your thick heads: Apple is suing companies with patents related to ideas they copied. One of the patents involved in Apple's recent patent trolling is the rectangular shape with screen and some buttons. Yes it's in their actual products (the iPad) and there are countless prior art from other manufacturers. They are suing with patents of so called "inventions" that 1) they most definitely did not invent 2) are way too obvious to call them inventions. Some of their patents may have some merit, but that's not what critics of Apple are railing against. It's the rest.

In which case Apple's claims won't stand up in court in which case why are you getting worked up by it? The only reason people are so worked up is because Apple actually have a case and might win.

What really upsets people is that Apple aren't pussies anymore. They stopped being losers a while back and started playing hardball and winning and it drives people potty. Back in the desktop era the whole industry leeched off Apple for its R&D and Apple, run by bozos back then, let them. It must have enraged Steve Jobs, watching from his exile, and I am sure he was determined that if he ever got another shot with Apple that he wouldn't let it happen again. He did get another shot and Apple morphed into an innovation machine chewing up product sector after product sector with startling new devices. But this time around Apple wants to stop others copying them. And so they play hard on the patent front.

Good. Copying is bad for innovation.

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RE[5]: Shabby journalism
by elsewhere on Thu 8th Sep 2011 19:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Shabby journalism"
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Good. Copying is bad for innovation.

Innovation by it's very nature necessitates "copying". Innovation is improvement of an existing idea.

The iPhone is a package of pre-existing ideas and concepts that was put together in an innovative way. There is no aspect of the iPhone that is inherently unique and doesn't build on an idea or invention that already existed in one way or another.

Apple achieved massive first-mover advantage in the market with the iPhone, that is the reward for innovation. It's up to them to continue building forward, they shouldn't get to draw a line in the sand and say "Ok, guys, pack up and go home because we've now perfected the smart phone and we'll sue you if you try to build a better one." The iPhone wouldn't exist if Apple didn't have the previous work of other companies to draw off of.

Copyright laws exist for a reason, and should be the standard by which software and creative work is protected, not patents. Patents are intended to protect inventions. Legally protected monopolization of ideas and concepts is bad for innovation.

I do agree with you that it's up to the courts to sort this mess out.

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RE[6]: Shabby journalism
by darknexus on Fri 9th Sep 2011 02:42 in reply to "RE[5]: Shabby journalism"
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Innovation by it's very nature necessitates "copying". Innovation is improvement of an existing idea.

No, that's refinement, not innovation. To innovate is to create something new. What Apple does is take current ideas and change them, evolve them from a certain perspective, into something shiny. I'm not saying this is bad, and it sure has worked for them, but I wish people would stop claiming Apple innovates. They do not.

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