Linked by David Adams on Thu 29th Sep 2011 23:47 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Linux Linux is struggling on the desktop because it only has a small number of "great" apps, according to the Gnome co-creator. Miguel de Icaza, co-creator of the Gnome desktop, told tech journalist Tim Anderson at the recent Windows 8 Build conference "When you count how many great desktop apps there are on Linux, you can probably name 10," de Icaza said, according to a post on Anderson's IT Writing blog. "You work really hard, you can probably name 20. We've managed to p*** off developers every step of the way, breaking APIs all the time."
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RE[5]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 07:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: He's right"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

" All 10 are at least as good as any other equivalent app for other platforms for the same purpose.
No they are not, not in my opinion. You see, this "good" word is highly subjective. I for one don't want my screen blasted with the vomit that is Amarok or Dolphin. But again, that's my highly personal opinion. You sir make it sound like your opinion is the truth. Maybe that pissed people off? Just a guess, I didn't vote... "

Yours it is just as much an opinion. For example, I can set Dolphin to pretty much mimic exactly the way that Windows explorer looks and feels, and get it to do everything that Windows explorer does. You, however, can't get Windows explorer to have a split screen, or separate tabs, or to perform a batch re-name on a group of files, or to convert-as-it-copies from an audio CD to a set of .mp3 files on disk elsewhere (let alone a set of .ogg files on disk).

You might not like Amorak, and indeed I prefer Clementine myself but Clementine is not Linux-only. The point is, despite your opinion, I notice that you don't actually come up with a better Windows-only application that can match Amorak feature-for-feature (for example, Amorak's support of FLAC and Ogg Vorbis audio files, or its support of iPod personal media players, its support for lyrics and album covers and file metadata, all available in the one app).

After all, it is the Windows fanbois who are trying to claim that there are no good Linux desktop applications. All I have to do is demonstrate some of the desktop app features that equivalent Windows apps can't match, and my point stands. It doesn't depend on your like or dislike of Linux artwork.

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RE[6]: He's right
by clasqm on Fri 30th Sep 2011 07:36 in reply to "RE[5]: He's right"
clasqm Member since:
2010-09-23

After all, it is the Windows fanbois who are trying to claim that there are no good Linux desktop applications.


No it isn't. It's Miguel de Icaza. The guy who wrote Midnight Commander and Gnumeric. The guy who *founded* the Gnome project. I trhink he has earned the right to speak out on this subject..

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RE[6]: He's right
by ephracis on Fri 30th Sep 2011 07:44 in reply to "RE[5]: He's right"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

Yours it is just as much an opinion.

Yes, it is. But I am very clear that my opinion is my opinion. In fact I even used the word "opinion" in my post to describe my opinion. You did not. Instead you are making it sound like your opinion ("this is good") is a fact. Just add "IMO" somewhere and I bet you won't piss as many people off.

For example, I can set Dolphin to pretty much mimic exactly the way that Windows explorer looks and feels

No, I would still feel and see the difference.

and get it to do everything that Windows explorer does.

I don't only judge apps based on what they can do. That's like judging singers based only on how they look... oh wait! ;)

You, however, can't get Windows explorer to have a split screen

or separate tabs

or to perform a batch re-name on a group of files

or to convert-as-it-copies from an audio CD to a set of .mp3 files on disk elsewhere (let alone a set of .ogg files on disk).

Nice, all features I don't really want or need. So in my opinion you are selling an ice cream cone which can fly. Why would I want it to fly?

The point is, despite your opinion, I notice that you don't actually come up with a better Windows-only application that can match Amorak feature-for-feature (for example, Amorak's support of FLAC and Ogg Vorbis audio files, or its support of iPod personal media players, its support for lyrics and album covers and file metadata, all available in the one app).

I don't see why I should. I was just trying to guess on why people voted you down.

After all, it is the Windows fanbois who are trying to claim that there are no good Linux desktop applications. All I have to do is demonstrate some of the desktop app features that equivalent Windows apps can't match, and my point stands. It doesn't depend on your like or dislike of Linux artwork.

Doesn't it? I want a pretty system. For example I am disgusted by iTunes or Safari on Windows, MS Office or Spotify on Linux for exactly that reason. I wouldn't touch it even if it had ten times more features than all other applications in the world combined. But again, that's just my opinion. Judging by most applications on Windows I'd say that most people don't care that their apps looks like shit.

But do you want my opinion on the state of Linux apps? I'd say that it doesn't matter really. I don't think that it's the apps that's holding Linux back (if you are not a video editor or company running highly niched apps).

I installed Ubuntu on my father-in-laws computer and he loved it. I think that there's apps for Gnome, KDE, Windows, Mac, whatever, that do the job and work for the average Joe. So I don't agree with Mr. de Icaza.

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RE[6]: He's right
by Savior on Fri 30th Sep 2011 09:34 in reply to "RE[5]: He's right"
Savior Member since:
2006-09-02

I notice that you don't actually come up with a better Windows-only application that can match Amorak feature-for-feature (for example, Amorak's support of FLAC and Ogg Vorbis audio files, or its support of iPod personal media players, its support for lyrics and album covers and file metadata, all available in the one app).

Or its lack of support for audio CDs...

The rest of the applications you listed are OK, apart from krita, which suffers from being too complicated while still missing basic features.

Anyway, you listed these programs as an answer to "what applications do not run on Windows"; does that mean the "KDE 4 on Windows" project is dead?

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RE[7]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 10:27 in reply to "RE[6]: He's right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"I notice that you don't actually come up with a better Windows-only application that can match Amorak feature-for-feature (for example, Amorak's support of FLAC and Ogg Vorbis audio files, or its support of iPod personal media players, its support for lyrics and album covers and file metadata, all available in the one app).

Or its lack of support for audio CDs...
"

Excuse me?

http://amarok.kde.org/en/features

Audio CDs

Play your Audio CDs in Amarok, and use the Copy to Collection feature to easily rip them to your local collection.


Anyway, you listed these programs as an answer to "what applications do not run on Windows"; does that mean the "KDE 4 on Windows" project is dead?


They might be still trying to achieve this, but for now there is no "KDE 4 on Windows".

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RE[7]: He's right - krita
by jabbotts on Fri 30th Sep 2011 17:08 in reply to "RE[6]: He's right"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Krita, that's the flow chart app isn't it? Yeah, it's not even close to Visio and trust me, I'd really, really, really like to find anything close enough to Visio to be usable.

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RE[6]: He's right
by JAlexoid on Fri 30th Sep 2011 15:13 in reply to "RE[5]: He's right"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I'm sorry, but since when are Linux fanboys banned from criticising Linux?
I have a lot of criticism of Linux and I point out features that can be implemented better or in a unique way. Hell I consider Win7 to be the least user friendly OS release ever. After 2 years of forced use by my employer, I still hate it and find it to be unintuitive 99% of the time. Don't get me started with Outlook 2010, I'll take web-based GMail any day of the week...

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