Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Oct 2011 18:27 UTC
Google So, somewhere in the middle of the night (at least for me) Samsung and Google held a joint event, in which they announced both the new Nexus phone, the Galaxy Nexus, and Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich. While the Galaxy Nexus is a pretty impressive phone, what we got to see from Ice Cream Sandwich surely didn't drop too many jaws.
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RE[2]: random thoughts
by galvanash on Wed 19th Oct 2011 22:28 UTC in reply to "RE: random thoughts "
galvanash
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2006-01-25

To be fair... I think his point was that the new font Apple introduced (not created, but started using), Helvetica Neue, is nothing more than some minor tuning to the original Helvetica font (rounded corners are a bit more round, some minor width adjustments, etc.). Likewise, Roboto is nothing more than some different minor adjustments (the curve of e and g are extended a bit etc.)

Just saying there is certainly nothing special about Roboto - it IS Helvetica, or close enough that a non-expert would not notice much difference. So it Helvetica Neue for that matter.

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RE[3]: random thoughts
by Torbjorn Vik Lunde on Thu 20th Oct 2011 06:09 in reply to "RE[2]: random thoughts "
Torbjorn Vik Lunde Member since:
2009-09-04

Non-experts probably won’t tell the difference between Georgia and Times New Roman. Does that mean that Georgia is just a tweak of Times?

Are design differences in products that users cannot consciously tell apart merely tweaks? If that is true, why bother with details in a product at all?

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RE[4]: random thoughts
by galvanash on Thu 20th Oct 2011 23:27 in reply to "RE[3]: random thoughts "
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Non-experts probably won’t tell the difference between Georgia and Times New Roman. Does that mean that Georgia is just a tweak of Times?


Fair enough... Yes, it is more or less a tweak - but it is an extensive tweak. Virtually everything about Georgia is different from Times in a small but noticable way (almost all characters are slightly differenct, the curves are different, the default spacing and sizing are different, etc.)

On the other hand Roboto and Helvetica differ greatly in a very small handful of details. However, for the most part they are virtually indistinguishable (in lower case at least).

I don't want to get into a style war over fonts though - I'm not a font designer and I certainly don't mean to belittle the process in any way (and I do understand that in font design a very tiny change generates a very large impact).

My point was simply that yes, Roboto is a new font - but it isn't anymore of a new font then Helvetica Neue was when it was introduced. They were both "new", and just because one of the had Helvetica in the name doesn't make it less so.

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RE[3]: random thoughts
by rhy7s on Thu 20th Oct 2011 23:02 in reply to "RE[2]: random thoughts "
rhy7s Member since:
2008-08-04

it IS Helvetica

I don't understand why Helvetica is treated as the big bang or primogenitor of sans serif fonts, it's not like it doesn't have precursors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotesque_%28typeface%29

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RE[4]: random thoughts
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2011 23:11 in reply to "RE[3]: random thoughts "
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yeah... Especially Akzidenz Grotesk (1896) is almost 1:1 with Helvetica. Surely not more or less so than Robota is to Helvetica.

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