Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 22:24 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Remember back when Nokia jumped to Windows Phone 7, abandoning all other platforms and future directions? Remember Elop's infamous 'burning platform' memo was coveniently 'leaked' to the web? Remember how Elop claimed Windows Phone 7 was the only way forward, since nothing else inside the company would be ready for prime time soon enough? Remember how I thought this was a very good and sane decision? Well, the first reviews of what will be the only MeeGo handset from Nokia (the N9) are in, and well... To whoever decided to go WP7 and ditch MeeGo: I don't like you. To myself: I'm an idiot for arguing this was a good idea.
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confused
by kristoph on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 02:00 UTC
kristoph
Member since:
2006-01-01

I am struggling to understand why you think the MeeGo UI is 'incredibly interesting'?

The app tray looks very much like Android. You've been freequently railing about the traditional icon view on both iOS and Android so this is not really interesting, right?

The notification system is virtually identical to iOS and Android. So that's not really interesting, right?

The running app view is sort of interesting but not, you know, 'really interesting' because it's just some running app images.

The settings are virtually a copy of Android.

The contacts and their associated services are nicely integrated, better then iOS or Android in some cases but not as well in others. Windows Phone 7 is certainly much more solid in this respect.

The OS apparently gets 'bogged down' if you leave a lot of running apps.

The browser is a bit weak as the reviewer notes.

Also the phone is, essentially, equal in performance to last years Android devices. It's much more attractive certainly but that's it's most redeeming feature.

So, in general, this is, you know, a decent device. It has a few nice ideas in the OS but nothing outstanding. It may be the best device Nokia has ever built but it's not an Android or iOS 'killer' or even a really solid competitor.

All that said I think that Nokia made a good call in killing their OS effort in favor of OEMing an OS though I do think locking into Window Phone was a bit dumb. If your going to OEM why not OEM Android too to get better customer reach?

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RE: confused
by daedliusswartz on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 11:16 in reply to "confused"
daedliusswartz Member since:
2007-05-28

Maybe they see Google as worse than Microsoft. Maybe they wanted to differentiate themselves. Who would want to be another Android OEM?

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RE[2]: confused
by bert64 on Tue 25th Oct 2011 12:56 in reply to "RE: confused"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

If you're going to be relegated to the "just another oem" status... Surely it makes sense to be an OEM for a platform that is more popular, cheaper and has more apps available?
They went from a niche platform they totally controlled, to being an OEM for a niche platform controlled by someone else.

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RE: confused
by kragil on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 12:12 in reply to "confused"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Maybe because it is a beautiful device that runs a very elegant and well thought out open operating system?

Plus:
- No bloated VM like in Windows Mobile Phone 7 Series or Android
- solid fast true multitasking, not the IOS bolted on second thought recently used apps + a little extra solution or Androids pre-4.0 weird solution
- incredible Qt framework, that does nearly everything from low level OpenGL to declarative Qt Quick
- only device that includes the most popular services like Gtalk, Skype, Mail, Picasa, Flicker, Twitter and Facebook etc out of the box
- most open development in the industry
- best contact management (I don't agree that Windows Mobile 7 is better, because it only works with unpopular MS stuff and popular Facebook AFAIK)

Comparable to Meego is only WebOS, but that always had flimsy crappy hardware and stupid owners (of course Nokia is also not Einstein tbh)

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RE[2]: confused
by poster on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 16:24 in reply to "RE: confused"
poster Member since:
2011-10-23

>because it only works with unpopular MS stuff

You mean really unpopular MS stuff like Hotmail which has 100 M more active users than gmail? Or did you mean gmail itself whose contact also sync perfectly in wp7? I'm guessing that you don't agree wp7 that contact management is great mainly because you don't know what your talking about.

>its own unique user interface paradigm

Which is what? I think Meego looks great and is really interesting from a dev standpoint but little about the paradigm is unique. This statement makes no sense.

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RE[2]: confused
by Nelson on Mon 24th Oct 2011 02:37 in reply to "RE: confused"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Plus:
- No bloated VM like in Windows Mobile Phone 7 Series or Android


? WP7 apps load faster than the apps I've seen on the N9. So WP7 can read off of a disk, JIT, and execute faster than the N9 can read off of a disk and execute?

I don't know, but I'm really not seeing this "bloated VM" you're talking about. Especially when XNA games run at maximum FPS in a majority of titles I download.


- solid fast true multitasking, not the IOS bolted on second thought recently used apps + a little extra solution or Androids pre-4.0 weird solution


What's the upside to having an entire process taking up clock cycles when its not in the foreground? I quite like the specialized multitasking in Windows Phone and iPhone. Its a lot saner than what the other platforms offer.


- incredible Qt framework, that does nearly everything from low level OpenGL to declarative Qt Quick


Nice? Neat? Sure. Incredible? Come on. They tack so much to shoehorn C++ into a useable language, coupled with a second rate declarative markup which is controlled by, yes, Javascript.

Seriously? We're going to go from Visual Studio to Qt Creator? Not in this lifetime.


- most open development in the industry


Uh, what? Qt just recently was granted open governance status. You realized that a lot of the N9, well, almost all of it, was developed behind closed doors, right? Just because it says MeeGo, doesn't mean it had much of anything to do with whatever leftovers the open source crowd was given.


- best contact management (I don't agree that Windows Mobile 7 is better, because it only works with unpopular MS stuff and popular Facebook AFAIK)


Facebook, Windows Live (which itself aggregates like 20 social networks), Twitter, LinkedIn, Gmail, Yahoo, ..? That's pretty much everything..


Comparable to Meego is only WebOS, but that always had flimsy crappy hardware and stupid owners (of course Nokia is also not Einstein tbh)


No, they're quite comparable. Both are complete and utter failures.

The OS is not as important as the developer ecosystem you build around it. WP7's developer armies are absolutely massive. No other OS platform is gaining apps as fast as WP7. None.

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RE: confused
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 14:17 in reply to "confused"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Your comment is exactly what I come to expect from an Apple fanatic such as yourself: incapable of looking at how user interfaces behave, instead focussing just on how they look.

Which also explains why people like you think Android is an iOS ripoff, even though the two are nothing alike in behaviour.

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RE[2]: confused
by saynte on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 15:01 in reply to "RE: confused"
saynte Member since:
2007-12-10

Well, you didn't really further explain your statement, but kristoph did enumerate a few reasons that he didn't see much there.

So I'd actually like to know what you feel the unique user interface paradigm offered by Meego is?

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RE[2]: confused
by kristoph on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 23:57 in reply to "RE: confused"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Thom, why are you always so defensive? I asked some very basic questions, and instead of answering them you just fire off a personal attack.

In response to your answer, I don't how it behaves any more than what I've seen in the review. If that's what your into why not say so?

(Also, note that that I am now officially an Apple and a Microsoft 'fanatic'. I do make software for Android as well but I do think it's weaker then iOS WP7/Mango).

I have nothing against MeeGo. I've used QT for almost 10 years and I would love to do it again. I am just saying this platform is not competitive .

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