Linked by David Adams on Sun 6th Nov 2011 04:35 UTC, submitted by twitterfire
Linux Linux advocates have for so long advocated browser-accessed software as a service as a way to break out of Microsoft's proprietary desktop. Now that this world has arrived, there's less incentive to work on native Linux apps.
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RE: Dual Views
by ilovebeer on Sun 6th Nov 2011 18:23 UTC in reply to "Dual Views"
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Regardless, I am not sure if Linux-Only software is the way to go...although I must admit my little nerdy heart desires for people to move to Linux because of apps...not because they're running away from OSX/Windows.

If you would like users to switch to Linux then you _should_ support the idea of Linux-only software. There's a catch however. Cross-platform software doesn't create any motivation to migrate OS'es. Why would it? Why would a user install a completely new OS when he/she can use the same software on the currently installed OS?

Linux has tons of mediocre-to-crap but very little "great" software. Linux needs oustanding Linux-only software that has no equivalent or is at least on par with rival software. Linux offers very little of that and thus very little reason to take it seriously as a Windows alternative.

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RE[2]: Dual Views
by westlake on Sun 6th Nov 2011 19:52 in reply to "RE: Dual Views"
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Linux has tons of mediocre-to-crap but very little "great" software. Linux needs oustanding Linux-only software that has no equivalent or is at least on par with rival software. Linux offers very little of that and thus very little reason to take it seriously as a Windows alternative.


But --- if you are talking about end-user applications --- how do you get there outside of serving very small niche markets?

The native clients for OSX and Windows should deliver about 99% of potential sales.

Even the FOSS developer can feel the itch for greater visibility and better funding.

The stats on the latest [and to my mind the weakest] "Humble Bundle" shows Linux sales generating a bare 25% of revenues while contributons from Linux gamers average about twice that from those running Windows.

http://www.humblebundle.com/

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RE[3]: Dual Views
by ilovebeer on Mon 7th Nov 2011 00:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Dual Views"
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But --- if you are talking about end-user applications --- how do you get there outside of serving very small niche markets?
I would suggest small niche markets is a good place to start. When you know you can't compete in one area, shift your focus into another where you can. Get your footing first. Ultimately Linux will have to serve the same needs & wants if it ever hopes to be taken seriously as a desktop OS. In that regard it's going to have to look, feel, and perform like it's got it's act together -- more preferably do those things even better than the Windows offerings. Something which to this point Linux has not managed to do.

Linux will never capture desktop OS marketshare by being subpar in the areas that matter to desktop users.

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RE[3]: Dual Views
by Kivada on Wed 9th Nov 2011 04:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Dual Views"
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The problem with your HIB analogy is that they've started acting like douchebags with these single game "bundles" These las 2 bundles could have easily been just a single bundle. Because of this though I like many others have dropped our payouts significantly while many more fully decided not to buy the HIB because it only had the one game at release and ignoring that other games where added over time.

I still pitched in $20, though I'd usually throw in $50, but all of that $20 went to the EFF, nothing to the HIB or the devs. None to Child's play either, Net Neutrality is far more important.

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RE[2]: Dual Views
by Soulbender on Mon 7th Nov 2011 18:38 in reply to "RE: Dual Views"
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If you would like users to switch to Linux then you _should_ support the idea of Linux-only software. There's a catch however.


If he supports Linux-only apps there is no catch, at least not the catch you mention.

Linux has tons of mediocre-to-crap but very little "great" software.


So it's just like Windows, only with much less crap and mediocre software. One look at, say, Tucows confirms this without a doubt. There are great Linux software, there are great Windows software and great OSX software etc. Perhaps Linux has less, perhaps not. The only "great" software Windows has that I need are games. There's not one other piece of software Windows has that I need. That's just me though, it will be different for everyone and depend greatly what you do with your computer.

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RE[3]: Dual Views
by ilovebeer on Mon 7th Nov 2011 19:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Dual Views"
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2011-08-08

If he supports Linux-only apps there is no catch, at least not the catch you mention.
So you think adding more crap to the pile doesn't make it stink any worse? We can agree to disagree on that point.

So it's just like Windows, only with much less crap and mediocre software. One look at, say, Tucows confirms this without a doubt. There are great Linux software, there are great Windows software and great OSX software etc. Perhaps Linux has less, perhaps not. The only "great" software Windows has that I need are games. There's not one other piece of software Windows has that I need. That's just me though, it will be different for everyone and depend greatly what you do with your computer.

Comparing numbers directly you can say Linux has much less crap and mediocre software. Of course, it has much less software available period. But, if you scale the number of great software vs. crap limited to the range of what's available, the resulting Linux percentage I'm sure is right in line with what you see in Windows.

Your closing point is really the only point that needs to be made. Every user has a different set of needs and his/her choices should be made with those needs taken into consideration. I've said repeatedly that users should use what works best for them. I myself am a daily user of both Windows and Linux for that very reason.

I understand this is a very pro-Linux/anti-Microsoft forum. There's actually more Linux penis stroking here than on the Linux (user and dev) mailing lists I frequent. Regardless, people should make an effort to keep things in perspective.

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