Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Feb 2012 12:26 UTC
Legal "Among the treasure troves of recently released WikiLeaks cables, we find one whose significance has bypassed Swedish media. In short: every law proposal, every ordinance, and every governmental report hostile to the net, youth, and civil liberties here in Sweden in recent years have been commissioned by the US government and industry interests." How such prestigious nations with such long and proud histories, like Sweden, The Netherlands, and so on, can succumb to pressure from a former colony is beyond me. We should know better.
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by Soulbender on Mon 6th Feb 2012 06:35 UTC in reply to "RE: ???"
Soulbender
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It's to indicate that what was once a colony, has now risen far above its former colonisers. I don't think that's a good thing.


The way you phrased it made it sound a lot like jealousy.

South American countries have really come into their own, developed their own culture


South American countries had their own cultures back when we in the west still wore diapers. It was just suppressed be the colonial tyranny for a while.

happy developing their own culture


See above.

ideas without trying to shove it down everybody else's throat.


Considering the upheavals and internal conflicts many former colonies have gone through this statement is patently false.

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by cyrilleberger on Mon 6th Feb 2012 10:27 in reply to "RE[2]: ???"
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"South American countries have really come into their own, developed their own culture


South American countries had their own cultures back when we in the west still wore diapers. It was just suppressed be the colonial tyranny for a while.
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Before European came to South American, the dominant cultures was the Maya empire from Mexico to northern Central America, Inca more to the south, and various tribes in the rain forest. Most of those cultures have been wiped out when the European invaded, through massacre, diseases and assimilation. And they never came back, right now, to the exception of a few countries such a Bolivia or Equator, the population of South America is dominated by people from European origin. The dominant culture is of a Latino (Spanish and Portuguese) inspiration.

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by Soulbender on Mon 6th Feb 2012 19:21 in reply to "RE[3]: ???"
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The dominant culture is of a Latino (Spanish and Portuguese) inspiration


Good point.

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by earksiinni on Mon 6th Feb 2012 20:48 in reply to "RE[3]: ???"
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Most of those cultures have been wiped out when the European invaded, through massacre, diseases and assimilation. And they never came back, right now, to the exception of a few countries such a Bolivia or Equator,


This is really not true. A significant proportion (probably most, we don't actually know that well) of the native population after the beginning of European colonization of South America died due to disease, warfare, and the ilk. Also, there are very few South American people (maybe recent immigrants?) whose ancestry is not mixed. But at any rate, native cultures have both deeply influenced nearly every facet of South American life and have also in certain areas continued to have more or less independent existences.

Also, there is a significant logical flaw in your statement: you can't be "wiped out" and "assimilated" at the same time.

the population of South America is dominated by people from European origin. The dominant culture is of a Latino (Spanish and Portuguese) inspiration.


Dominant origin of people does not equal dominant culture (see above). Like, not even remotely. Whatever "dominant culture" means.

Moreover, the population of a country like, say, Brazil, is largely dominated by people from West African origin. In other parts of South America, very often the most widespread "origin" (a somewhat misleading term since nearly everyone is of mixed descent) is native.

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