Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 14:46 UTC
Mac OS X Well, this is a surprise. Several websites have a preview up of Apple's next Mac OS X release - it's called Mountain Lion, and continues the trend of bringing over functionality from iOS to Mac OS X. Lots of cool stuff in here we've all seen before on iPhones and iPads, including one very, very controversial feature: Gatekeeper. Starting with Mac OS X 10.8, Apple's desktop operating system will be restricted to Mac App Store and Apple-signed applications by default (with an opt-out switch), following in Windows 8's footsteps.
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It's not as bleak as it looks!
by bloodline on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:04 UTC
bloodline
Member since:
2008-07-28

Sure our Windows and Mac machines will be locked down... But that's why we buy them... My Mac needs to just work, I dont have time to worry about something going wrong with it, the same with my iPhone... If we want to do more fun stuff then we buy a Raspberry Pi or build a Linux machine.

Or at least this is how I do things! <shrug>

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Not to start a flame war, but I use Linux and my stuff just works. And I don't worry about viruses or malware. Security can be done in such a way that you don't have to cripple the system.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Not to start a flame war, but I use Linux and my stuff just works. And I don't worry about viruses or malware. Security can be done in such a way that you don't have to cripple the system.


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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Linux lacks two things that make malware attractive.

1) A Stable API/ABIs.
2) Market Share.

Number 1 is what other operating systems provide and Linux Desktop distros don't. A malware author has to make assumptions about the system for it to spread. Congratulate yourself all you like, but the nature of the OS that protects you is the same thing that makes it unattractive to software developers.

The second, while there are more Linux servers and they do have a good security track record, if they are left unpatched liked with the PSN network they can be hacked just like before.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

To be fair, bloodline has a point, in one sense. People (in general) really do buy things from a consumer's standpoint. If I buy a new stereo for my truck, I don't want to have to install a bootloader and system firmware to get beyond a lit up display, or go wading across the internet looking for codecs so it will play WMA and MP3 files as stated on the box. No, I want to be able to hook it up, put in a disc or tune a station and get music.

That's the consumer mindset, and while the geeky side of the population has grown in the past few years the vast majority of people are average folks who just want something to turn on and spit their favorite content at them.

That said, I really hope this kind of thing from Apple (and Microsoft too, with Windows 8) doesn't spell the end of general purpose computers. The Raspberry Pi mentioned by bloodline won't be around forever, and it isn't really meant as a general purpose computer but as a learning tool for the education market. It just so happens to be cheap and geek-friendly, opening the door to those of us who want or need something small, powerful and easy to develop for.

I really hope we aren't seeing the end of the BYOPC/OS (build your own PC and/or OS) era, but this is definitely a step in the wrong direction in my eyes.

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marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Well, you're perfectly right. I'm also using Linux as one of my OS and it works just fine. No need to become a slave to some corps, give out your rights, sell your soul to devil, give them your child, pay rediculous amount of money, and let them load you with ADs.

Of course, to keep it that way we need to stay focused and fight for it when endangered.

The problem is that people used to think they can't be free, they sell their privacy for 'free' services, etc.

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Excarnate Member since:
2011-08-01

You caveat it at the end, but the real problem is when you say stupid things like "Sure our Windows and Mac machines will be locked down... But that's why we buy them."

No, no one buys a computer because it is locked down. You don't either, you say you do, but that is because you didn't think before posting.

People buy a computer because it is useful and nigh required to do many things.

I buy Macs because of the decent hardware and the still-better-than-the-alternatives interface. But I'm not buying in to the Mac AppStore or iCloud and if either is required in 10.8, I'm on my last Mac.

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tomohawk Member since:
2012-01-29

I'm with you 100%.
I realized this was the direction Apple was taking even before they announced and was sad that it meant I was probably on my last Mac also, because I liked using them up until Lion came out.

Apple dropping good support/development of FCP Studio and Aperture, combined with moving toward dropping its Pro line of PCs, and the features dropped from MobileMe in iCloud, indicated to me that Apple is currently focused on mainstream consumers and not commercial environments. By the time Apple realizes it wants serious corporate penetration, and executes upon it, I predict that many corporations will have moved on to Linux/Windows 8/cloud as done by Amazon, and so passed on OS X/iCloud.

I'd add as enveloping perspective that I think that tablets are going to replace many current commercial PC based applications that can be improved by being more decentralized (this is currently happening with iPads in cabins replacing internet PC style cafes for cruise ship network access, for example). I make this comment because PCs are no longer the bottom of the chain, and tablets are undercutting them, just as networked PCs did to minicomputers and mainframes. Companies like Apple have to factor this in to their future plans.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No, no, and also, uhmmm, oh yeah NO.

I bought the mac because it was BSD underneath with a usable interface and had a wide support of open source software installed by default. For those who like to tinker, it was pretty good. Lots of hidden options, sure, but they were easily modifiable with a text editor.

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Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

As a Mac user since the IIe, FUCK YOU APPLE!

Looks like I can now only ever recommend Linux anymore.

How long till Lightworks and Bitwig Studio out for Linux?

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