Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Mar 2012 22:21 UTC
And thus, Microsoft bites itself in its behind with Metro. As you all surely know by now, the Metro environment in Windows 8, and its accompanying applications, need to follow a relatively strict set of rules and regulations, much like, say, applications on iOS. For one type of application, Metro has already proven to be too restrictive and limited: web browsers. Microsoft has had to define a separate application class [.docx] - aside from Metro and desktop applications - just to make third party web browsers possible for Windows 8.
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RE: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by kaiwai on Mon 12th Mar 2012 01:19
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Personally I think the best would be to allow WinRT to be fully used for desktop applications and give legacy status to Win32.
Metro will most likely suffer the same fate as Vista on the desktop.
Metro will most likely suffer the same fate as Vista on the desktop.
From what I have read WinRT isn't a complete replacement for win32 yet and it is possible to create desktop applications using WinRT. The post I read a while back:
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winappswithnativecode...
Parts of the WinRT will be tied directly to metro such as certain XAML functions only make sense in a Metro environment however I'd say the enterprise preview will probably include more details being released and Windows 9 being the release where WinRT becomes a top to bottom replacement for Win32. Microsoft has a lot on its plate right now so one can only guess that they focused on WinRT for Metro because it is the most urgent as it addresses the tablet and the demand for a native API that many Windows Phone developers have been asking for.
RE[2]: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by moondevil on Mon 12th Mar 2012 08:42
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Member since:2005-07-08
"Personally I think the best would be to allow WinRT to be fully used for desktop applications and give legacy status to Win32.
Metro will most likely suffer the same fate as Vista on the desktop.
Metro will most likely suffer the same fate as Vista on the desktop.
From what I have read WinRT isn't a complete replacement for win32 yet and it is possible to create desktop applications using WinRT. The post I read a while back: "
I am aware of it, but what I meant is that Microsoft would do better by fully supporting WinRT for the desktop and forgeting this Metro nonsense.
I do have Windows 8 + MSVC 2011 installed, and also
do Windows development, so I am quite aware how Windows 8 is shaping up.
RE: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by butters on Mon 12th Mar 2012 03:50
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WinRT is built on top of Win32, so the latter isn't going anywhere. At best, it might become inaccessible to third-party developers at some point.
But this speaks to the issue with third-party browsers, which is that as web clients become increasing rich application platforms with open-standard APIs for accessing native device functionality, it makes more sense for the web client to be tightly integrated with the OS and the underlying device hardware and not open to third-party implementations.
In other words, the IE 10 web client is now effectively a large subset of the native runtime environment on Windows 8, and there are substantial benefits in having one common runtime stack.
Hence Boot2Gecko. If you want a Mozilla stack, use the Mozilla stack. Otherwise choose the Microsoft, Apple, Google (ChromeOS or Android), or Amazon stacks. Or fork one of the open stacks and scratch your itch.
RE[2]: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by moondevil on Mon 12th Mar 2012 08:38
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RE: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by 1c3d0g on Mon 12th Mar 2012 04:02
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RE[2]: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by Dave_K on Mon 12th Mar 2012 14:23
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Member since:2005-11-16
Windows 8 is the O.S. that WILL push me towards Linux. Enough is enough!
Windows 7 will be around for a long time to come. I certainly plan to ignore 8 and keep on using 7 indefinitely.
I'll be keeping up to date with Linux though, prepared for the switch if/when Windows no longer meets my needs, and I'm saying that as someone who definitely isn't a Linux fan...
RE[2]: Microsoft should just keep WinRT and forget Metro
by tomcat on Tue 13th Mar 2012 21:38
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Personally I think the best would be to allow WinRT to be fully used for desktop applications and give legacy status to Win32.
Metro will most likely suffer the same fate as Vista on the desktop.