Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Apr 2012 14:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Windows Phone is fighting an uphill battle. Microsoft still has work to do in terms of user experience and the big hardware partners like HTC and Samsung are starting to lose interest and putting in only token efforts. But Nokia is keeping the platform in the conversation. We're not willing to consign Windows Phone to the same level of hopelessness as the open-source webOS or the out-to-pasture BB OS precisely because Nokia is too big and too active a partner." Having a big partner is by no means a guarantee. Microsoft is doing whatever it can - both legal and should-not-be-legal - to get people to buy Windows Phone, and it isn't working. A brand only gets you so far - you need a compelling product, too, and as much as I like Windows Phone, it's just not there yet compared to iOS and Android.
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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Tue 10th Apr 2012 03:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
gonzo
Member since:
2005-11-10

Well.. yes, I agree.. to a certain degree: when I say "Windows" of course I am talking about the whole "ecosystem".

I probably would still pick Windows, here's why:

1) I know it well already. Would I switch to a different OS (given that I have all those apps available)? To what benefit precisely? So I have to spend my time trying to figure out how to have everything that I already have on Windows? What is the point?

2) It is WELL supported by hardware manufacturers (printers, scanners, etc, etc)

3) It lets me have similar environment at home and at work (I do realize this does not apply to everyone)

4) Windows 7 is VERY good when it comes to desktop experience: fast, stable, relatively secure. From what I see in Win 8 Consumer Preview, it's going to be even faster than Win 7. Right on. (No, I am not impressed with Metro, but at least it's bearable compared to all those let's-go-full-retard-on-user OSX shiny icons and animations. God.)

But Windows itself is a POS

No.

Edited 2012-04-10 03:52 UTC

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RE[4]: Doomed
by WorknMan on Tue 10th Apr 2012 04:53 in reply to "RE[3]: Doomed"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

1) I know it well already. Would I switch to a different OS (given that I have all those apps available)? To what benefit precisely? So I have to spend my time trying to figure out how to have everything that I already have on Windows? What is the point?


The point is that there's actually a lot you don't have on Windows. For example, there's no way to centrally manage and update applications. And hardly any of them are portable by default. If I need to format my hard drive and reinstall everything, that could take a least half a day. With Android, the install is about 10 minutes, and apps can be fully restored in less time than that. There's no centralized spell checking, no multi-clipboard support, no app store (the one in Windows 8 only works for Metro apps), and the whole OS is very limited in the ways you can customize it, without 3rd party tools. That goes DOUBLE for the installation. When are they going to build tools that let normal users slipstream in drivers and service packs into the install disc? If my C drive gets corrupted and I need to get into the system, I can't boot the OS off a USB drive. Anyway, you get the point.

And, let's face it... the built-in apps suck ass. Not a huge deal when you're at home, but if you work in an environment where IT locks down the machines, having to use Windows Explorer and IE as default file manager and web browser is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. Oh, and let's not forget Windows Update, which is goddamn annoying.

2) It is WELL supported by hardware manufacturers (printers, scanners, etc, etc)


Again, this goes back to what you can run on Windows ...

3) It lets me have similar environment at home and at work (I do realize this does not apply to everyone)


Yeah, and wouldn't it be nice if you could sync all of your settings in the cloud ...

4) Windows 7 is VERY good when it comes to desktop experience: fast, stable, relatively secure.


You could say that about just about any OS these days, assuming your hardware is decent.

If Linux had the same apps and vendor support as Windows does, I'd happily use that instead. But as it stand, I'm stuck. I don't *hate* Windows, but I can't say I like it either.

Edited 2012-04-10 04:54 UTC

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RE[5]: Doomed
by gonzo on Tue 10th Apr 2012 12:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

With Android, the install is about 10 minutes, and apps can be fully restored in less time than that.


Because on Android you have games that easily take like 1.5 GB of disk space and apps that do the same?

Yawn..

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