Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2012 08:26 UTC
Internet & Networking "The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin. The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of 'restrictive' walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms." That governments - east and west - are trying to destroy the open web, that we know. As for Facebook and Apple... Well, all I know is that it is completely and utterly impossible to check what information Apple has about you. Unlike Google (more here) and to a lesser degree Facebook, Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.
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MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12


So, you believe Apple on its blue eyes, but not Google? That's perfectly fine, of course, but you have to be incredibly naive to think that Apple does not use the data it has on its customers to extract more money from them.


But if Google nukes your privacy and sells your data to anyone who wants it you don't mind?

Recently you liked the idea that Google linked all their databases so they could target you even better with ads, but you don't like it if Apple should use the data they have on you to, well, effectively tempts you to spend money?

It seems both want your money, expect Apple doesn't sell it to companies you have never heard about.

What if it becomes accepted that ads you are presented are targeted and embarrassing ads appear when you want to show someone something? You can't claim it's a random ad, because people wouldn't believe it. Surely all ads are tailor made.

Now from Apple I haven't received any 'offers' and my .mac/.me accounts are spam free (unlike my Gmail account). As I use Apple stuff a lot they should have my all figured out, but it doesn't seem I'm targeted for anything.

So it's strange you favor a proven privacy menace over a company you suspect/hope they do so too.

If one was asked before the rise of Google if it would be a good thing if there was one single company that tracks what you read, watch, see, hear,search, email, where you are, etc..., drives through your street and takes pictures of your house while sniffing your WiFi and they're even on mobile phones with mall ware issues... and sell what they find on you to anyone who pays for it... I'm sure many people wouldn't like this.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

But if Google nukes your privacy and sells your data to anyone who wants it you don't mind?

If Google sells your data where can I buy it? Please do direct me to the portal where I, as an advertiser, can get phone numbers and emails of my visitors just to thank them for visiting.
(This is my canned response to the crap with words "sells your data")

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Sorry, I don't work at Google. You better contact them directly.

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maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

for google to sell your data they have to construct a profile from you. that profile, as facebook profile, has your email id tagged with endless descriptions in their neat DB. " residence: Bronx / New york city" / "usually logs in from: ny public college, comcast block 100.121.121.*" / "is 34 years old" / "regularly communicates with users ids: xxx@gmail.com; xxxy@gmail.com " bla bla bla bla.

you get the picture. it's a relational database so that they can segment you and aggregate you with others in the same desired group by the advertiser. Now, this is not bad in itself, but it has the "inconvenient" side-aspect that for that to happen they have to completely categorize you.

You might be comfortable with that. i'm not. someone knowing that much about me makes me uncomfortable. While that may be completely innocent by now, considering the "authoritarian and paranoid drift" of the US government that demands data under dubious pretense and permissive laws, one day it might not be so innocent. And i say US gov because for now they are the crazy guy on the block. tomorrow might be other entity or china gov when you happen to go there on business . Or someone can break in google data base and steal that info from google to their own profits. the bad outcomes are endless.

Anyway you put it, there's slim benefit to you, the user/consumer/citizen of having your life spied and discriminated and categorized like that. IF you are willing to do that for a better recommendation for potato chips or a free email service, then fine for you. I on the other hand, am not.

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