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Internet & Networking The SOPA and PIPA laws were defeated in the U.S. just months ago, and already the forces for internet control are back. Up for vote this week, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) would override all privacy laws so that private companies (like ISPs) can share all information with the U.S. government. No warrants or other authorization required. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) points out the problems with this law. Like SOPA and PIPA, the privacy issues and monitoring could reach far beyond U.S. borders.
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RE[3]: Comment by kwan_e
by bassbeast on Wed 25th Apr 2012 04:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kwan_e"
bassbeast
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2007-11-11

The problem with that idea is that you have 1.-An entire system designed to support corruption, in that to get to higher levels of the system one must has huge piles of cash that simply won't be given to you if you don't "play ball" so that removes the lawmakers, and 2.-as for the public? you have the largest most effective means of propaganda ever pointed right at them, mainstream media and television. Just look at how many believed Iraq was involved with 9/11 (the last numbers I saw put that number still over 30%) simply because that is what many in the MSM insinuated.

The problem is even if you had undeniable science on your side if it went against moneyed interests they would just have the MSM bury you in innuendo and ridicule and nobody would listen to you.

As for TFA this is something I've said for years, we simply have to abandon the Internet as they are gonna turn it into a locked down home shopping network whether you like it or not. too many rich corps have an interest in this and they will simply outlast you. instead we must lay our hopes on the geeks to build a secure anon network on TOP of the existing net, one designed from the ground up to treat everything as suspect. Lucky for us progress has been made in this area with projects like TOR and Freenet but of course more progress must be made.

But in the end if there is one thing we have learned in the states its that there is a never ending supply of greed and an unquenchable lust for power by those at the top, and you can rally and rail and complain all you want, unless your last name is Gates or Ellison or among the top 50 richest frankly they really don't care what you think or want. Vote them out, so what, they'll get a cushy job bribing the next guy. That's the thing about always choosing the lesser of two evils, you're always voting for evil.

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RE[4]: Comment by kwan_e
by kwan_e on Wed 25th Apr 2012 07:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kwan_e"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

The problem with that idea


There is no problem with the idea. The problem is getting to the state where that idea becomes probable.

As for TFA this is something I've said for years, we simply have to abandon the Internet as they are gonna turn it into a locked down home shopping network whether you like it or not. too many rich corps have an interest in this and they will simply outlast you. instead we must lay our hopes on the geeks to build a secure anon network on TOP of the existing net, one designed from the ground up to treat everything as suspect. Lucky for us progress has been made in this area with projects like TOR and Freenet but of course more progress must be made.


This will have to be done in a wireless manner. There is no way any government would allow its phone lines to be completely out of its control, and no citizens group will have the money to build its own. The private companies will only go the AOL route. The worst case scenario is that they can completely disable the network physically (eg, that kill switch idea bouncing around lately), which is a lot easier with landlines than wireless.

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RE[5]: Comment by kwan_e
by Alfman on Wed 25th Apr 2012 14:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kwan_e"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"This will have to be done in a wireless manner."

Seems like a fun idea that people sometimes throw out there, but true adhoc mesh networking has several feasibility barriers today when deployed on a wide scale. 100mw wlan transceivers would require an insanely dense grid to achieve any kind of reliable connectivity, and by that I mean any connection at all. The network would likely deconverge into isolated pools. The network has to be engineered for competing goals such as privacy, routing efficiency, resiliency, and trustworthiness. Even tried and true concepts like rout-able IP addresses break down in an adhoc network with no central authority.

If the network were more organized and a little less adhoc it could work, particularly with more powerful technology like GSM or WiMax. But without government authorization it would likely get shut down just like the pirate radio stations of last century.

So I'm not sure whether a government free internet is viable. Building a privacy aware network ontop of existing networks may be the best option even if it has it's own problems.

Edited 2012-04-25 14:07 UTC

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