Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th May 2012 17:55 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless This is fun. The number one iOS carrier duking it out with the company behind the world's most popular smartphone operating system. Last month, Google's lead for the Android Open Source Project, Jean-Baptiste Queru, more or less blamed carriers (see comments) for Android's upgrade woes. Yesterday, AT&T's CEO Randall Stephenson retaliated, blaming Google for the delays. And yes, Google already responded to that, too.
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RE[3]: Excuses, excuses
by kwanbis on Tue 8th May 2012 20:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Excuses, excuses"
kwanbis
Member since:
2005-07-06

You are right.

But I believe the problem here is with the manufacturers themselves, cause they love to make 50 different phones per year each, that ironically you can hardly differentiate.

So, if instead of making 20 phones, HTC makes 3 a year, it would be easier for them also.

But again, you are right.

Edited 2012-05-08 20:33 UTC

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RE[4]: Excuses, excuses
by phoenix on Tue 8th May 2012 21:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Excuses, excuses"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

HTC is starting to go down the "less is more" road with their new One line. There's the One X and the One S for 2012 (at least so far).

Unfortunately, there are still 2 variations of each (LTE and non-LTE) with separate SoCs in each (Tegra3 for non-LTE, S4/Krait for LTE).

But, 4 phone models is still better than the 20-odd they had for 2011.

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RE[4]: Excuses, excuses
by phoehne on Thu 10th May 2012 11:20 in reply to "RE[3]: Excuses, excuses"
phoehne Member since:
2006-08-26

Because Android phones area so similar in capability, each manufacturer has an incentive to release models (often with relatively minor improvements), often. If you were to go into a store, and didn't know jack about phones or operating systems, the idea of buying a phone that's been out on the market for six months, versus one that was released just recently, might factor into your decision.

I don't know how the handset makers are going to get away from this. Ultimately, HTC, Samsung, et. al. are selling what's 95% the same thing. Skinned differently (maybe), but largely the same thing. I would expect Windows Phone handsets to have the same issue. Maybe, as Samsung is doing, bundling additional services to differentiate yourself may distance themselves more from other handset makers.

Apple gets away from that by not having multiple, different implementations of the iPhone. By being a different enough product, consumers probably aren't comparing iPhones to Android phones in the same way they compare Android phones to each other. I'm not stating this is good or bad.

But the flip side is that Android manufacturers might have a dozen models capable of supporting an upgrade on the market. Verizon et. al might look at this problem as 12 handsets * 4 vendors = 48 tests * the cost to test a handset = too much money to be worth it. This may be especially true where a particular model didn't sell that well and there are relatively few units out there. So I would expect to see two handsets that were practically identical being treated differently based on whether one was a popular model. Apple, instead, has 3 handsets with a large user base.

So, ultimately it is the 'fault' of the carrier, even though I don't think fault is the right word. They're making decisions on what is the most economical way to handle their network and the devices on it. Maybe if they weren't such control freaks this wouldn't be a problem. Of course, if an update did get pushed out, and that caused one model of phone to miss-behave to the point that it effected your phone service, would you just shrug it off and say "hey, it's cool?"

Edited 2012-05-10 11:24 UTC

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RE[5]: Excuses, excuses
by kwanbis on Thu 10th May 2012 17:15 in reply to "RE[4]: Excuses, excuses"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, I actually feel the opposite.

I rather have a well supported phone, that lasts me at least the 2 years contract, than getting the Super Duper Phone 1, and two months later seeing Super Duper Phone 2.

And worst, 3 months latter, Super Duper Phone 1 is not getting Android 4.x because it is not the newest model.

I also believe that from a manufacturing, stocking, replacement parts, and support point of view, it is totally ridiculous hat they make so many devices.

Apple wins cause most phone manufacturers do so many phones, that they have to spread their design teams work between so many phones.

So in the end, they end up doing 20 phones that barely differentiate themselves, instead of 1, 2 or 3 really good designs.

That is why mercedes/audi/bmw do so many cars per year.

Also, they loose branding by naming each phone with a different, and ridiculous name.

I'm glad Samsung and HTC are trying to revert all this bs.

You only need 3 phones:
Basic, Medium, High End.

And maybe android/wp versions.

So, release 3/6 phones a year. Support them for 2 years minimum. If you want to stop supporting after 2 years, realease all information so that community can take over.

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