Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st May 2012 20:03 UTC
Windows For Microsoft, the traditional desktop is old news. It's on its way out, it's legacy, and the harder they claim the desktop has equal rights, the sillier it becomes. With companies, words are meaningless, it's actions that matter, and here Microsoft's actions tell the real story. The company has announced the product line-up for Visual Studio 11, and the free Express can no longer be used to create desktop applications. Message is clear.
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RE[9]: What will their use be?
by lucas_maximus on Wed 23rd May 2012 15:03 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: What will their use be?"
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Good for you. No one told you to stop. But I'm also guessing you can code with "any text editor" also. Those that can't fall in to the brogrammer camp. Nothing I said implied any different.

Fair enough

And I'm tired of programmers looking down on my because I use the technology dictated by my employer.


Just because it doesn't blow up right away, doesn't mean there aren't subtle issues lurking.

I appreciate this, I was being somewhat trite. It depends how your software was built, how easy to verify whether it will run on 4.0.

There's no requirement. Indeed, I've seen plenty of start-ups using Express, and more websites than I care to mention using SS2008 R2 Express as their back-end for an Umbraco CMS.

It is okay if it is low volume traffic, remember only 1 CPU. It ultimately depends, I work in banks, healthcare and Gambling, they normally get you the full version.

But it's still not a definitive label. Otherwise it would be like me telling everyone that Android is rubbish or iPhone is expensive or Windows Phone 7 is doomed... it's pure opinion based on hearsay. By your own definition - if you can get the job done, what is the issue? You can't have it both ways.

Whether or not it is a definitive label, one can read between the lines.

Compare Express 2010 to Delphi 1 and then try telling me that Express 2010 is a poor experience. Seriously, if you believe that you really do need a lesson in history. But you know what - we wrote over 30,000 lines of code in Delphi 1 and had a leading product in the industry we were in. In the process, beating our large American competitor to the punch on implementing the latest requirements for the financial body the software created data for. No fancy code completion of re-factoring tools. Nothing clever at all. Even the syntax highlighting was a bit weird. You deal with the tools you have and get stuff done. End of discussion.

Not quite.

While I agree with the sentiment, one would have to wonder if you wrote something similar in Express vs Pro how much time would be saved?

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While I agree with the sentiment, one would have to wonder if you wrote something similar in Express vs Pro how much time would be saved?

It boils down to the specifics of the project and the people working on it. I've seen programmers be astoundingly unproductive using the best tools on the market. I've seen programmers achieve amazing results using an editor no more complex than notepad.exe. It is mainly the calibre of the developer that dictates quality output vs. time undertaken.

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