Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 23rd May 2012 18:25 UTC
Legal We've got some really good news for all of you: the jury verdict in the patent phase of the Oracle v. Google trial is in, and it's a unanimous one: no patent infringement. This means that the most Oracle could possibly get out of this is a few hundred thousand dollars if (and that's a very big if) judge Alsup rules that APIs are copyrightable. Oracle pretty much lost everything. Permit me to say, in your face, Ellison.
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by cyrilleberger on Wed 23rd May 2012 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
cyrilleberger
Member since:
2006-02-01

"They also got Solaris, Java copyrights/ official control of language, Sparc, and Mysql.


All true, but all of those things (bar the control) were all freely available for anyone to use and modify.
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You cannot modify Java if you are not Oracle, and Sparc is also proprietary. Now, whether it is worth 7 billions $ is an other question (but then Facebook was valued at a 100 billions...)

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by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 23rd May 2012 22:07 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

You cannot modify Java and still call it Java without going through the certification process, but you can modify it and call it Jim's funky Language as long as you follow the GPL and other associated licenses.

http://openjdk.java.net/

Just looked there now, Ironically one of the companies to go through the certification process: Google.

http://openjdk.java.net/groups/conformance/JckAccess/jck-access.htm...

Obviously, this certification must relate to something other than Android as Sun/Oracle refuse to start the certification process on anything that runs on a mobile device. Which makes me wonder about Windows 8 and arm.

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by Modafinil on Thu 24th May 2012 01:15 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Modafinil Member since:
2012-04-28

You cannot modify Java if you are not Oracle, and Sparc is also proprietary. Now, whether it is worth 7 billions $ is an other question (but then Facebook was valued at a 100 billions...)


Java is GPL, ANYONE can use, modify and distribute GPL code quite freely.
http://openjdk.java.net/

SPARC is fully open-source, again, anyone can use, modify and distribute it quite freely.
http://www.opensparc.net/

Oracle didn't need to buy Sun to use and modify Java nor SPARC, nor the GPL MySQL.

Thanks for modding me down "incorrect" btw. I'd return the favour seeing as you actually are incorrect but I can't. :rolleyes:

edit:Cleanup

Edited 2012-05-24 01:16 UTC

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by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 24th May 2012 02:14 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Mysql has always had a proprietary version which they license to other parties and sell support contracts for. Oracle did jack those prices up after taking over. It went from "maybe we should pay for licenses" to " no way in heck are we paying for licenses".

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by cyrilleberger on Thu 24th May 2012 06:45 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

Java is GPL, ANYONE can use, modify and distribute GPL code quite freely.
http://openjdk.java.net/


Except you cannot call it Java, so yes, you can modify and distribute the SDK, and since you have to change the name, then no one will use it. So no, you cannot modify Java without being Oracle (or Sun back in the time).


SPARC is fully open-source, again, anyone can use, modify and distribute it quite freely.
http://www.opensparc.net/


OpenSparc is a old Sparc design, the more recent version of Sparc are fully proprietary.

Oracle didn't need to buy Sun to use and modify Java nor SPARC, nor the GPL MySQL.


And since all of that is GPL, if you want to make proprietary version, you need to buy the copyright holder. And making proprietary product is exactly how Oracle intend to make money out of their acquisition of Sun. And if you have not noticed, they have already started, they killed OpenSolaris, they do release closed source improvement to MySQL, the last news on OpenSparc is 2 years old (before that they were quiet active, it shows how much the project is going to go forward...). Only Java still remains relatively "free", but that was probably part of the deal with regulators.

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