Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 17:05 UTC
Windows Two links to Marco Arment within a few days? Well, if you make good points: "Many Windows developers were upset that iOS development had to be done on a Mac, but it didn't hurt Apple: the most important developers for iOS apps were already using Macs. But the success of Windows 8 and Windows Phone in the consumer space requires many of those consumer-product developers, now entrenched in the Apple ecosystem, to care so much about Windows development that they want to use Windows to develop for it. How likely is that?" As usual a bit too Apple-centric (he implies - as explicit as possible while still being implicit - that only iOS developers can create great applications), but his point still stands. Judging by the abysmal quality of Microsoft's own Metro applications (Mail, Video, Music, People, IE10, etc.), even Microsoft doesn't know how to create great Metro applications.
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Typical Apple fanboy article?
by fatjoe on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 18:23 UTC
fatjoe
Member since:
2010-01-12

I don't really see the "Problem"... Some devs with huge egos want to everyone to believe that they are crème de la crème and the centre of the new computing. That without them a platform will fail no matter how good or bad it is.

I believe that Windows 8 will be very successful with lots of great ideas and apps. Microsoft alone has enough creative great programmers and creative people to keep the platform alive if it has to.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Microsoft alone has enough creative great programmers and creative people to keep the platform alive if it has to.


I'm sure they do, but it seems that often Microsoft's programmers aren't really able to exercise their creativity. Management says "make it look like this and do that" and they have to design it accordingly or lose their job. Microsoft has plenty of creative programmers, but perhaps they need more creative managers and marketers since it's not the programmers that have the final say on a product.

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fatjoe Member since:
2010-01-12

Are you kidding me? You can't categorise companies of this size as "creative" and "not creative". All companies have some great folks and some complete idiots.

With things like Metro, Kinect, Surface, Wordament, Kinectimals & on{x} Microsoft has shown that the idiots are at least not in the majority ;)

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I believe that Windows 8 will be very successful with lots of great ideas and apps. Microsoft alone has enough creative great programmers and creative people to keep the platform alive if it has to.

But that's all they will be doing - keeping the platform alive.

On the desktop they might succeed in persuading a handful of people to use Metro applications, but in the face of Android and especially iOS on mobile devices it is dead on arrival. There is too much inertia now and they are too late.

iOS is pretty much the number one mobile platform developers develop for and has been for many years. It's really only now that Android is catching up on the applications front and it is a platform developers feel they have to support. Windows 'Whatever' and Metro are absolutely nowhere near that point and there is a compelling argument that developers just won't tolerate a third platform, especially one that locks them into the Windows/Visual Studio treadmill for no good reason.

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ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

There is another option which is to lower porting costs by layering Android on top of .NET.

The current plan of trying to leverage their desktop market and forcing the start screen to encourage 'app' development will fail.

Windows 8 will be hated by both developers and casual users. People will keep buying iPads and shareholders will want Ballmer's head.

But what do I know, I merely work on enterprise .NET applications and haven't heard a single positive thing about Windows 8 from everyone I work with. Word on the street is that Microsoft sales reps are taking a lot of heat over the release preview.

Oh and yes I did change my name from nt_jerkface.

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