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Hardware, Embedded Systems Artificial intelligence is still a long way from delivering the human intelligence in robot form that has long been common in science fiction.
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RE: It's hard to deliver
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 24th Jun 2012 19:15 UTC in reply to "It's hard to deliver"
modmans2ndcoming
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2005-11-09

unless there is some sort of unknown magic juice that allows for bio-intelligence (Humans) it should be mathematically provable that Intelligence is a result of a chaotic system of massively parallel signal interconnects (that is what the Human brain is)

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RE[2]: It's hard to deliver
by tanishaj on Sun 24th Jun 2012 21:41 in reply to "RE: It's hard to deliver"
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2010-12-22

unless there is some sort of unknown magic juice that allows for bio-intelligence (Humans) it should be mathematically provable that Intelligence is a result of a chaotic system of massively parallel signal interconnects (that is what the Human brain is)


See The Emperor's New Mind or Shadows of the Mind by Roger Penrose. He argues that a computer as we know it cannot achieve consciousness for Quantum Mechanical reasons. Brains and computers are not the same.

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RE[3]: It's hard to deliver
by zima on Sun 24th Jun 2012 22:22 in reply to "RE[2]: It's hard to deliver"
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2005-07-06

What Penrose proposes is highly speculative at best - there's no evidence for his hypothesis, even some serious evidence against it (starting with totally unlike scales of neural processing and quantum effects likely possible in the brain)

Besides, intelligence != conciousness; it's also not even really clear if the latter (together with free will) actually exists in the first place.
And nobody really argued above that brains and present computers are alike, quite the contrary - but they most likely ultimately can be, by the virtue of working in and exploiting the same physical reality.

BTW, in the last few decades tons of pseudoscience invokes quantum mechanics to support the ~"mystical" sphere / subjects.

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

If your statement is "Brains and Computers we have today are not the same" then I would agree.

If you are saying "Brains and all computing devices that humans can build will never be the same" then you are wrong.

A brain is simply a massively parallel mesh network of signaling nodes. at their most basic level the nodes pass digital signals using chemical vectors. Unless you can show that it is impossible to construct such a computer outside the reproductive process of humans, your position is unsupportable.

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