Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Jul 2012 00:28 UTC
Games Valve's Gabe Newall on Linux and Windows 8: "We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It's a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality."
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Comment by Wafflez
by Wafflez on Thu 26th Jul 2012 00:52 UTC
Wafflez
Member since:
2011-06-26

ArsTechnica covered this too:

Newell is not a disinterested third party. Valve makes money from the commission it takes on Steam sales. Windows 8, with its built-in Windows Store, challenges that revenue source. Features such as Xbox LIVE integration could make the Windows Store and Windows 8 a more appealing platform for gamers and developers alike than Steam.

That, I think, is a fine journalism. They not only present with "boo boo window 8 suxx", but also give an opinion that Microsoft's App Store will take a lot of Valve's money.

And I know that I'd rather have Live integration than that POS steam client.

So, yeah. ;)

Edited 2012-07-26 00:58 UTC

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by dvhh on Thu 26th Jul 2012 02:27 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

Pity that GFWL totally suck ass compared to any other alternative I can remember.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by flynn on Thu 26th Jul 2012 03:18 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
flynn Member since:
2009-03-19

Microsoft's App Store will take a lot of Valve's money.

No, it won't. You are severely underestimating PC gamers' love of Gaben and hatred of GFWL.

And I know that I'd rather have Live integration than that POS steam client.

You are in the severe minority. Live integration on PC exists, it's called Games For Windows LIVE, and it's universally reviled as an ungodly abortion of a system. Look at all those people that were clamoring for a PC port of Dark Souls claiming they would buy it in a second; most of them are now whining and back peddling after the GFWL integration was announced.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by _txf_ on Thu 26th Jul 2012 07:21 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

And I know that I'd rather have Live integration than that POS steam client.


GFWL is utter dogsh*t, MS completely fumbled the ball on that one. Frankly Steam is far better. And you can install games on whatever system you want (I have games that are installed on osx AND on windows and soon on linux).

Frankly Steam has a lot of goodwill from the community because they don't nickel and dime the users and developers, like MS tends to do on Xbox Live and probably will do with the windows app store (the temptation is to great).

Edited 2012-07-26 07:22 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by lucas_maximus on Thu 26th Jul 2012 07:28 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You know that Steam sells GFWL ... works fine btw.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by bassbeast on Thu 26th Jul 2012 07:37 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Why did he get modded down? Its a fact. Sure we all know GFWL sucks the big wet titty, that the PC isn't an oversized Xbox so what works in one space doesn't mean it'll translate to another, that MSFT makes about the most user UNfriendly UIs of late and have been treating PC gaming as the red headed stepchild, but that don't change the fact that Gabe has a horse in the race folks.

Of course he may have gotten modded down on account of being hit with a case of the crazies, seeing as how he actually thinks Live is better than Steam, has to be an Xbox guy that doesn't actually play PC games as I've had nothing but trouble out of Live and I can't think of a single gamer I know that has a nice thing to say about the service.

In the end though I think the whole thing? tempest in a teacup. I mean think about it logically folks....Both Intel and AMD have already come out with figures saying their sales are DOWN thanks to a global recession that has belts being tightened, so the answer is....to RAISE prices on PCs and laptops by giving them touchscreens? Really? Look at the price of touchscreens folks, even with economies of scale they sure ain't free and the good capacitive ones are still pretty high. we ALL know that Win 8 is lousy without touch and the OEMs are hurting, so MSFT expects them to raise prices?

Win 8? The new MS Bob. It bombs HARD, I've had one sitting in my little PC shop for customers to play with and so far NOBODY has liked the thing, the OEMs will either demand (and get) the right to do the same trick they did when Vista bombed, where they call it a "Win 8 PC" while shipping win 7 and a Win 8 DVD nobody will use, or they will get together and pick a version of Linux they can control and give MSFT the finger. I'm sure Google will be happy to give them a PC version of Android.

More likely the WinVista trick lets MSFT pretend they didn't have a flop and old Gabe has nothing to worry about as Win 7 will be the new XP. I only hope this billion dollar failure finally gets the board to stand up and fire Ballmer, I mean how many billions has he flushed now? 20? 30? You could literally take a monkey and let 'em throw poo at the stock page and would see a better ROI by buying the stocks that get covered by caca than what MSFT has seen under more than a decade of Ballmer. Forbes is right, worst CEO by a mile.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by franko on Thu 26th Jul 2012 07:57 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
franko Member since:
2012-05-25

I am just happy that it is coming to Ubuntu.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by Wafflez on Thu 26th Jul 2012 13:48 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

Yes, I haven't used Live for Windows (only on xBox), but if you all say it's buggy and so on...

The reason why Steam is POS because it's part of a fragmentation. And if I would play a game with Steam integration, that doesn't help me to be in touch with my friends who are playing Battlefield (hello Origin!) or Diablo (hello Battle.net!).

Now when any of my friends play anything on xBox - we still can form a party and chat away, join each other's game within a two clicks, etc. I just thought that Live integration would bring all these features into poor PC gaming world... ;)

Edited 2012-07-26 13:49 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by rbenchley on Thu 26th Jul 2012 15:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
rbenchley Member since:
2005-11-03

Yes, I haven't used Live for Windows (only on xBox), but if you all say it's buggy and so on... The reason why Steam is POS because it's part of a fragmentation. And if I would play a game with Steam integration, that doesn't help me to be in touch with my friends who are playing Battlefield (hello Origin!) or Diablo (hello Battle.net!). Now when any of my friends play anything on xBox - we still can form a party and chat away, join each other's game within a two clicks, etc. I just thought that Live integration would bring all these features into poor PC gaming world... ;)

Steam isn't perfect by any means, but that's a terrible argument. Just because Battlefield and Diablo 3 aren't available on Steam doesn't diminish the service. That would be like arguing that Xbox Live stinks because of the fragmentation that doesn't allow you to play Animal Crossing (Wii game) or Killzone 3 (PS3 game) on Live.

GFWL has been a huge missed opportunity. I haven't had any problems with it so far (knock on wood), but it has been very buggy for many people. A fair number of users have had problems with their save files being deleted. The idea for the service is good, but I think Microsoft has been reluctant to put in the needed time and resources to make it shine as they're worried that it will canibalize Xbox sales.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by JAlexoid on Fri 27th Jul 2012 03:44 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

And I know that I'd rather have Live integration than that POS steam client.


So... yeah. You must be one of those.... masochists.

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